Why are they doing this?

It looks like the DHS is at it again. More ammo for what?

The Department of Homeland Security is set to purchase a further 21.6 million rounds of ammunition to add to the 1.6 billion bullets it has already obtained over the course of the last 10 months alone, figures which have stoked concerns that the federal agency is preparing for civil unrest.

A solicitation posted yesterday on the Fed Bid website details how the bullets are required for the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico.The solicitation asks for 10 million pistol cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds) and 10 million 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds).

The document also lists a requirement for 1.6 million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets (40 quantities of 40,000 rounds). An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion.

The question begs to be asked, what is Napolitano think her department needs this kind of ammunition for? Are they planning something they expect will result in civil unrest of that sort of magnitude? It certainly isn’t to fight terrorists, because according to these morons the “War on terror” is done and over. Besides, they have “da dronez” for that.

The most obvious reason I can see for this insane purchase is that it make a lot less ammo available for regular people to buy. And we all know these fucktards think nobody but them should be armed in the first place. Ammo prices have sky rocketed and the supplies are usually thin, if not nonexistent. This is seen as a bonus, because Obama’s DHS sees the most danger not coming from terrorists that are at war with us, but from Americans that don’t want to accept he is now ceasar.

The federal agency’s primary concern is now centered around thwarting “homegrown terrorism,” but information produced and used by the DHS to train its personnel routinely equates conservative political ideology with domestic extremism.

That long sentence is basically pointing out that Big Sis Napolitano’s “peops” think the real terrorists are those of us that want government to respect the constitution, stop the social engineering, and live within its means, and do not want to go along with the emperor and his cadre destroying the country. And no, contrary to what that Huffpo fluff piece starts off with, Janet’s DHS doesn’t think domestic terrorism is as bad as foreign terrorism, because they have repeatedly said that after they killed Uncle Osama, that foreign terrorism was a thing of the past. Janet has been very clear that the DHS thinks domestic terrorists, and not the home grown Islamic Jihadis either, are the big problem, and the paperwork her gang of thugs have published has repeatedly said as much. To the left people like this are the real problem.

It’s gonna get ugly I tell ya. can you imagine the firestorm from the LSM if evil Boosh’s people had done something like this?

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  1. Mook

    This is very disturbing news. It’s almost certainly a blatant under-the-radar attempt (MSM reporting this??) to monopolize ammunition supply in order to make it more difficult, and expensive, for ordinary Americans to buy ammo… even as excuse-anything leftists will call conservatives and libertarians crazy and paranoid for daring to point out the obvious.

    An administration willing to supply Mexican drug gangs with weapons in a craven attempt to undermine the 2nd amendment can never be given the benefit of any doubt. Given this latest stockpile purchase of ammo after the DHS purchased over a billion rounds of ammunition last year, where are the Republicans in Congress demanding an explanation and raising a spotlight on this?

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  2. TxAg94

    My first reaction that it is a way to remove that many rounds of ammunition from the market, driving up prices. That makes sense from a crazy agenda standpoint but it doesn’t make sense to limit it to the two calibers they cite. Of course, who knows what other agencies are buying that no one has discovered yet?

    Then I came across this in the story:

    the DHS’ previous ammunition solicitation was awarded to Evian Group, an organization that was formed just five days before the announcement of the solicitation and appeared to be little more than a front organization since it didn’t have a genuine physical address, a website, or even a phone number.

    Someone well connected is making a fortune off of this. Either they are serving as a middle man to sell ammo to the feds at ridiculously marked up prices or they are also tied into ammo sales to the general public and profit from the cost increases. I’ve had pretty good success in recent years living off the assumption that the real story is some politician or political donor making gobs of money is often the real explanation.

    Besides all of that, though, if WE stockpile a little ammo we are crazy anti-government nutjobs. When they do it, well, it’s “for training” (WINK WINK).

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  3. Hal_10000

    You’re linking to Info Wars? Really? That almost guarantees that this is a big pile of bullshit.

    This is very disturbing news. It’s almost certainly a blatant under-the-radar attempt (MSM reporting this??) to monopolize ammunition supply in order to make it more difficult, and expensive, for ordinary Americans to buy ammo

    21.6 million is nothing. Even 1.6 billion — assuming that figure is correct — is not much. The US manufactures about five billion rounds of small arms ammunition alone every year. So the impact of this on price will be nothing.

    The government has always been the largest customers of weapons makers because they have so many federal agents and requirements for range practice.

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  4. AlexInCT *

    You’re linking to Info Wars? Really?

    Yeah, really. i trust them a lot more than I do NBC, SeeBS, ABC, CNN, AP, or any of those other bullshit artists that provide cover for team blue.

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  5. stogy

    Yeah, Alex Jones was the only person to have the courage to say that Obama murdered Andrew Breitbart to keep him quiet. And revealing Obama’s secret plan for a third term in office. And that 9-11 was an inside job. And that anyone who disagrees with him has been drinking flouride in the water.

    A worthy source, I say Alex. A worthy source.

    Thank god he and Rush are here to keep us safe from the tyranny (Glenn Beck) that is surely otherwise upon us.

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  6. Xetrov

    FLETC services training for 91 different Federal Agencies, as well as various State/Local Law Enforcement agencies. 21+ million bullets is a drop in the bucket of what they would go through for training.

    But I disagree that the total of 1.6 Billion bullets would’t impact cost. Purchase 1/3rd of any commodity, and prices for that commodity are going to be impacted. Especially considering the continued ammunition shortage at stores across the country.

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  7. HARLEY

    Production is maxed out right now due to demand, and its been that way for about 2 years now. ATK/Alliant is pretty much the sole producer of Primers in the USA and they are maxed out and under a massive contract to deliver primers to the gov too….im not exactingly sure who in the US GOV is reloading that much but it is significant to effect civilian supply. These Ammo manufactures are under contract with the FED GOV , and they have first dibs on ammunition produced. That is if the big distributors, go to the back of the line in favor of the FED GOV. and this is on TOP of military orders.

    Alex Jones is a fucking raving loon…. some time he is right though… not necessarily this time.

    The government has always been the largest customers of weapons makers because they have so many federal agents and requirements for range practice.

    the shooting requirement,for most armed government agents is appalling low. anywhere from 75 to 200 rnds a year to qualify,and for the most part that is it.
    One has have to wonder why so much ammo, tac gear, military surplus, and firearms has been ordered recently……i dont see any indication that they intend to massively up the training for armed agents, or add more agents… (91 federal agency carry arms REALLY What The Fuck? WHY?

    With the wars in the mideast winding down, and not real threats on the horizon, why are they gunning up so much? is this just a bone they are throwing to the MFG’s to keep them happy? …

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  8. Mississippi Yankee

    even as excuse-anything leftists will call conservatives and libertarians crazy and paranoid for daring to point out the obvious.

    THIS^

    The very same “useful idiots” that Lenin and Stalin spoke about have evolved into a Clone Army for the 21st century.
    And perhaps y’all will become the trustees in the re-education camps. Although I think Hal sees himself more as being part of the forthcoming oligarchy. Good luck wid dat!

    And as HARLEY has said (and as I tried to pointed out several months ago) most Fed agents don’t do a lot of range time. Yet it seems the very same leftist and “pseudo-conservatives still will demand that you don’t believe your own lying eyes.

    BTW, I placed my Christmas list with my friends and family at Thanksgiving time (pre Sandy Hook). It consisted solely of Ammo and Booze.

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  9. pfluffy

    The very same “useful idiots” that Lenin and Stalin spoke about have evolved into a Clone Army for the 21st century

    Are Lenin and Stalin part of Godwin’s Law yet? Just askin’

    I’ll go ahead and point out the obvious. Corrupt politicians conspiring with ammo manufacturers to jack up prices/profits.

    And perhaps y’all will become the trustees in the re-education camps. Although I think Hal sees himself more as being part of the forthcoming oligarchy. Good luck wid dat!

    Didn’t that used to be called “left-wing conspiracy theory” on this site back in the Thunderdome days? Good times.

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  10. Mississippi Yankee

    I’ll go ahead and point out the obvious. Corrupt politicians conspiring with ammo manufacturers to jack up prices/profits.

    Ammunition was working at near capacity since Barack Milhous Mugabe stepped into the WH. The facts of Fast and Furious pushed it over the edge and foreign manufacturers have been filling the void for more than a year. (I recently received 750 rnds that were made in Denmark). Which is fine as it is a NATO round to begin with.

    I’ll go ahead and point out the obvious.

    You’re being a Useful Idiot! There’s no conspiracy, supply simply can’t meet demand, but as always there’s plenty of corruption.
    Thank You Low Information Voters.

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  11. pfluffy

    Wait a minute, I thought we were talking about federal contracts to purchase ammo. That would be either because they need the ammo or some sort of corruption is at play. Now are you suggesting that useful geniuses bought it all up to shoot pumpkins in a field and store up for the Big Grab?

    Both could be true at once, but I am just trying to get your point down.

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  12. Mississippi Yankee

    I thought we were talking about federal contracts to purchase ammo.

    The federal government has first call on ammo sales. Period. When they place an order for 1.6 billion rounds their order is filled FIRST Period.

    All other sales (civilian) come after the gov’t invoice is filled.

    That would be either because they need the ammo or some sort of corruption is at play. Now are you suggesting that useful geniuses bought it all up to shoot pumpkins in a field and store up for the Big Grab?

    I never even suggested this, I said all these gov’t agencies are buying it up to keep it out of reach of people that would oppose the coronation of King Skeeter. (not you of course)

    But if putting words in my mouth is the only way you feel you can continue with this discussion then so be it. Somethings never change with you.

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  13. pfluffy

    But if putting words in my mouth is the only way you feel you can continue with this discussion then so be it. Somethings never change with you.

    Touché, MY.

    I clearly misunderstood you, then. I still don’t really understand your point wrt to the original post, but asking questions is apparently putting words in your mouth, so I will move on to other things. Yea, yea I asked it snarky but snark is apparently the only language understood here. My current obsession is acquiring a quality mandolin and learning to play. Step one is piling up some cash, so since I don’t actually own a working one yet, you are stuck with me for now. The more I read about mandolins the more cash I need to pile up, so I am going to have to avoid that forum for awhile :^) …

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  14. HARLEY

    (I recently received 750 rnds that were made in Denmark). Which is fine as it is a NATO round to begin with.

    Blister packs of .308?

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  15. Mississippi Yankee

    Blister packs of .308?

    No,I was more concerned with smaller stuff going into short supply. These were 5.56X45. In boxes of fifty (five 10’s) mounted on plastic ‘stripper clips’. I think I like the plastic ones.

    What I’m reading over the past few days is the REAL shortages are occurring with primers. Everyone is running out and something as simple as that could cripple the re-load business for quite awhile.

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  16. Mississippi Yankee

    pluffy.

    My current obsession is acquiring a quality mandolin and learning to play.

    IMHO there is no sweeter sound (string-wise) than a Dobro mandolin. But even regular mandolins are fairly common in pawn shops right now. Sign of the times I suppose. Unless you absolutely, positively have to have a brand new one I would suggest you look there.

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  17. Mississippi Yankee

    One thing that no one is talking about is the fact a 30 round AR magazine that went for 7-9 dollars before Sandy Hook is going for $50. and up now. And they too are becoming a bit scarce.

    The gun controllers with the cooperation of the propaganda arm of the democrat party, the MSM, have driven up the price of this commodity. But unlike ammo not many foreign manufacturers make or ship large quantities of magazines.

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  18. Hal_10000

    I clicked through the link. This isnt 1.6 billion bullets now. It’s *up to* 1.6 billion over number of years (at least four in one contract). That’s less than 10% of US bullet production. And yes, I will consider that site a crazed lunatic site when they’re saying that, for example, 200k sniper bullets means the government is planning to shoot 200k Americans.

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  19. HARLEY

    a small point HAL, the Gov is making orders like this every year, for multiyear contracts, so even if they order 1.6 billion rounds in a 4 year contract , they will be ordering much the same next year on a similar contract. so that would be in Addition to that.

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  20. pfluffy

    IMHO there is no sweeter sound (string-wise) than a Dobro mandolin. But even regular mandolins are fairly common in pawn shops right now. Sign of the times I suppose. Unless you absolutely, positively have to have a brand new one I would suggest you look there.

    Used is definitely not out of the question. I have a couple bowlbacks that I got from my Dad, but I have no intention of learning on one. Do you play?

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  21. Mississippi Yankee

    Do you play?

    Not the mandolin, however I’ve played the radio for many, many years and have just taken up the MP-3 player.

    All kidding aside I pick guitar a little by ear (don’t read music myself). Mandolins work much the same way but of course some have more strings 5 or 7 or 9 I’m told.

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  22. pfluffy

    All kidding aside I pick guitar a little by ear (don’t read music myself). Mandolins work much the same way but of course some have more strings 5 or 7 or 9 I’m told.

    The reason I want to learn on the mandolin is that it is smaller than the guitar and supposedly easier to play. I have not been very good with strings, but I would like to try it. Supposedly, guitar pickers can pick it up easily.

    Four sets of two strings, MY. I know you know that :).

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  23. Mississippi Yankee

    Au contraire,

    Early mandolins had six double courses of gut strings, tuned similarly to lutes, and plucked with the fingertips. Modern mandolins—which originated in Naples, Italy in the late 18th century—commonly have four double courses (four pairs) of metal strings, which are plucked with a plectrum.

    Many variants of the mandolin have existed. These include Milanese, Lombard, Brescian and other six-course types, as well as four-string (one string per course), twelve-string (three strings per course), and sixteen-string (four strings per course).

    WiKi pedia

    The 5,7,9 was just to get you wound up.

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  24. pfluffy

    The 5,7,9 was just to get you wound up.

    LOL, I knew it was bait for something. I don’t mind after a couple of Stellas. The “mandolin family” has its branches and twigs but the one I am looking at is the 8-string. It is a sound that I favor.

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  25. Seattle Outcast

    I guess when troops are ordered to fire on US citizens we’ll find out exactly why Obama has replaced so many generals that stated that they would not follow such orders.

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