The Peace Laugh

It’s official. The Nobel Peace Prize has little more import than Time’s Man of the Year:

The European Union won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday as it grapples with the worst crisis since its founding — devastating debt and the threat of disintegration.
The prestigious award was a salute to the struggling 27-nation union for its work in promoting democracy and reconciliation since World War II.

They’re pretty close to plunging us back into a global economic crisis over there. This isn’t as a giving to Barack Obama; the EU has actually done something. But it’s still rewarding someone in the hope that they will get their shit together.

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  1. mrblume

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  2. Iconoclast

    The prestigious award was a salute to the struggling 27-nation union for its work in promoting democracy and reconciliation since World War II.

    “Since WW II”??? That’s patently ridiculous — the EU hasn’t existed “since WW II”. It has only existed since 1993.

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  3. Poosh

    Hey, I think we deserve Kudos for not tearing each other apart, AFTER ALL we’ve spent every century, but this one, invading each other and slaughtering each other.

    Give us that at least, bros?

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  4. Hal_10000 *

    Hey, I think we deserve Kudos for not tearing each other apart, AFTER ALL we’ve spent every century, but this one, invading each other and slaughtering each other.

    Give us that at least, bros?

    OK, I’ll give it up for that one. But I thought the time to award that was about ten years ago. And to be fair, the leaders have been trying very hard not to have this explode into a global mess.

    Iconoclast, the EU has its origins in the European Economic Community, which dates from the 50’s, I think.

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  5. mrblume

    Hey, I think we deserve Kudos for not tearing each other apart, AFTER ALL we’ve spent every century, but this one, invading each other and slaughtering each other.

    Let’s have a look at what the committee also says:

    The admission of Croatia as a member next year, the opening of membership negotiations with Montenegro, and the granting of candidate status to Serbia all strengthen the process of reconciliation in the Balkans.

    So, Britain, open up that purse and do your part for peace.

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  6. HARLEY

    This award is going to be even more meaningless, when the EU becomes a fully totalitarian super state, or shreds apart in a orgy violence.

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  7. Seattle Outcast

    There are only two options that explain the Nobel Peace Prize as it currently operates:

    1) It’s meant as an ironic joke on the clueless recipient, who then takes is seriously, making the irony even more so.

    2) Libtards are so deluded and living in fantasy that Option 1 is what it turns out to be, regardless of the intent.

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  8. HARLEY

    Iconoclast, the EU has its origins in the European Economic Community, which dates from the 50′s, I think.

    A unified Europa, has been the dream of many various “leaders” in Europe, for a few hundred years…

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  9. Miguelito

    They’re pretty close to plunging us back into a global economic crisis over there.

    Which pretty much guarantees conflicts will break out as well. So yay for peace I guess.

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  10. Miguelito

    A unified Europa, has been the dream of many various “leaders” in Europe, for a few hundred years…

    And we will see a unified moon of Jupiter in our lifetimes.. you watch. :P

    hah.. this just fits that much more too…
    “All these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no landing there. Use them together. Use them in peace.”

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  11. Mississippi Yankee

    So, Britain, open up that purse and do your part for peace.

    AND, the point goes to…mrblume. A Nobel ‘spread the wealth’ if you will.

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  12. Iconoclast

    Iconoclast, the EU has its origins in the European Economic Community, which dates from the 50′s, I think.

    Also known informally as the European Common Market, established in 1958, still over a decade after the end of the Second World War. Besides, while one may have “had its origins” in the other, it still wouldn’t be accurate to actually consider the two to be the same.

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  13. West Virginia Rebel

    So who gets the prize money? Are the Eurocrats going to divvy it up amongst themselves?

    I should point out that, in comparison to Europe:

    We’ve never had a revolution (in terms of an overthrow of the existing government) since the original

    We’ve only had one civil war

    We’ve never had a military coup or other form of dictatorship

    When Europe can make these claims, I may be able to take them seriously as a world power. Until then…

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  14. Kimpost
    We’ve done our part for peace in Iraq….

    Brilliant. You’re a comedy genius.

    I don’t think that Poosh was thinking about the 2003 invasion. He was more likely referring to the British imposed love following WWI. ;)

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  15. Kimpost

    Also known informally as the European Common Market, established in 1958, still over a decade after the end of the Second World War. Besides, while one may have “had its origins” in the other, it still wouldn’t be accurate to actually consider the two to be the same.

    And the European Common Market evolved from the European Coal and Steel Community (1950), which is getting us closer to the war.

    The EU, or its origins, probably deserved a Nobel peace prize 60 years ago, not today. They totally got it now as a form of moral support for the whole EU project. Nobel tends to do that. They don’t just give the prize to deserving, they try to use it as leverage. Obama was that type of winner too.

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  16. mrblume

    When Europe can make these claims, I may be able to take them seriously as a world power. Until then…

    Not only can the European Union, the recipient of this prize, make this claim; it can make others: it never had a civil war; it never had slavery; it never brutally eradicated a native population; it never interned foreign citizens.

    Still, I can only hope that Europe will never take itself seriously as a world power; as we all know the one invariably rule of human nature: power corrupts.

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  17. Iconoclast

    Not only can the European Union, the recipient of this prize, make this claim; it can make others: it never had a civil war; it never had slavery; it never brutally eradicated a native population; it never interned foreign citizens.

    Of course, the EU is only 19 years old; few nations that young were every guilty of all of the above. But Europe is indeed guilty of producing such villains as Stalin and Hitler, and educating others such as Pol Pot. In addition, Europe also provided humanity with the Reign of Terror and the Napoleonic Wars, so don’t let’s get too smug…

    And if you’re gonna focus on the “since World War II” part, well, the USA likewise “never had a civil war; it never had slavery; it never brutally eradicated a native population; it never interned foreign citizens” since World War II either, so what’s your point?

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  18. Poosh

    Brilliant. You’re a comedy genius.

    Trying to give Iraqi people a fighting chance of building a consensual government built on democratic principles. Giving ALL the right to have their say. Freedom for me, but not for thee, eh CM! Freedom and peace is the rise of the civil, liberal, democratic society. We cannot have peace without these. So yes, we – our soldiers – did our bit for peace. World peace is not the absence of war: it is the absence of the whip and chain.

    They again, one can hardly expect someone who demands man work 40% of their lives AS SLAVES to support others, under the lash of the state, to understand these things.

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  19. mrblume

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  20. Poosh

    Guantanamo Bay

    What the hell are you talking about? There are little thick people here. We are likely to know the truth about Guantanamo i.e that most of the “injustices” and “horror” there are fictions and lies. Why would you think we would fall for your lies about how “evil” or “unjust” Guantanemo Bay is? It’s a bit insulting to be honest.

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  21. Poosh

    And that’s all you’re prepared to do?

    You do realise the EU project is just a project concerned with destroying the nation states and controlling all europeans from a central – unelected – government, right? It’s designed with fulfilling the demented dreams from faux-elites who are tired of people not seeing things their way, thus the force of the EU will be used to get their way instead. Democracy be damned.

    Destroying the EU would be a good way of bringing more peace to the world methinks… Thus to all tyrants eh?

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  22. mrblume

    You do realise the EU project is just a project concerned with destroying the nation states and controlling all europeans from a central – unelected – government, right?

    No, it’s a dream of millions of Europeans (yeah yeah, they object to what you are saying, therefore they are brainwashed) that has been democratically sanctioned all along the way, including in Britain. If Britains want to leave, they can, unless Britain is not a democracy. Qed.

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  23. Mississippi Yankee

    Not only can the European Union, the recipient of this prize, make this claim; it can make others: it never had a civil war; it never had slavery; it never brutally eradicated a native population; it never interned foreign citizens.

    Let’s break this down;

    it never had a civil war – in it’s present configuration

    it never had slavery – although it was rampant for two millennium

    it never brutally eradicated a native population – Bosnian muslims might disagree

    it never interned foreign citizens – “answer hazy, try again later” (Magic 8 Ball)

    And let me add that calling a debate opponent delusional or an outright liar is not socially acceptable, non the less, describing the EU as a democratic organization IS “delusional or an outright lie”. Just ask Ireland how many times they had to ‘vote’ on a currency, or even membership for that matter.

    And let’s not even bring up the fact their debt funded economy is dangerously close to running out of OPM Or is stealing from more successful members a Human Rights issue.
    Europeon Pleeze!

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  24. mrblume

    Just ask Ireland how many times they had to ‘vote’ on a currency, or even membership for that matter.

    I don’t get it. It sounds like you’re saying that Ireland is not a democratic country because they are voting to much.

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  25. Mississippi Yankee

    I don’t get it. It sounds like you’re saying that Ireland is not a democratic country because they are voting to much.

    No, forced to vote on an issue AGAIN when the desired outcome wasn’t achieved.

    Please don’t play CM games here. One mendacious child in the sandbox really is sufficient.

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  26. mrblume

    Please don’t play CM games here. One mendacious child in the sandbox really is sufficient.

    Ok, since you’re asking nicely, I will make an effort here.

    You can feel free to elevate the debate at any time. For starters, in order to criticize the democratic nature of the European Union, one could discuss issues like representative democracy vs direct democracy, and when the latter is called for (as an aside, the US constitution wasn’t exactly ratified by popular referendum, but understandably, nobody cares about a deficit in democracy a quarter millennium ago); one would have to address the democratic backing the EU inarguably has through the existing national processes, and articulate why those are not good enough. One could address the fact that the European demos is basically split 50/50 on the EU, as opposed to pretending no one wants it.

    Most people here seem to think that just because they intimately familiar with their own talking points, that qualifies as intellectual debate. Sure, those will do their job while riffing alongside like-minded partisans. But if you want me to offer substance, I will need to be rewarded with the same.

    Otherwise, this is basically the broken window theory in action. I don’t have to debate; I enjoy being snippy and contrarian as well.

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  27. Mississippi Yankee

    For starters, in order to criticize the democratic nature of the European Union, one could discuss issues like representative democracy vs direct democracy, and when the latter is called for (as an aside, the US constitution wasn’t exactly ratified by popular referendum, but understandably, nobody cares about a deficit in democracy a quarter millennium ago)

    Ok, lets found this debate on ‘liberal kryptonite, yanno facts?

    Nowhere in the US Constitution, nor any of the 50 State Constitutions is the word democracy ever used. In fact almost all of our founding fathers warned against a direct democracy. And until the early part of the 20th century being called a democrat was considered a personal insult.

    We have not been like Europe since 1776… in fact that was the whole point.

    Now if you’ll excuse me Saturday night is “date nite” and I don’t see your top two buttons undone.

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  28. mrblume

    Nowhere in the US Constitution, nor any of the 50 State Constitutions is the word democracy ever used. In fact almost all of our founding fathers warned against a direct democracy.

    That’s exactly what I mean. How is that not a meaningless talking point? Are you against ballot propositions? Not in the spirit of the founding fathers? If Europe wants to take a cue from the US, the correct thing for Ireland to do would be to not put the constitution to popular referendum? I suppose I really did misunderstand your critique about them having to vote twice.

    Now what you could have said is that, while not a plebiscite, the delegates to the state ratification conventions where explicitly elected for that very purpose, which is less democratic than what Ireland has done, but is more democratic than the ratification process in most other EU nations.

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  29. Section8

    I think I’m in love with the Nobel Peace Prize committee. Sure, the Obama prize looks pretty ridiculous in hindsight;

    In hindsight? Most thought it was ridiculous about 2 seconds after it was announced. The first second was dominated by thoughts of WTF?

    Anyhow, I bet there is more evidence to suggest NATO played more of a role to stop fighting in Europe than the EU did.

    EU good or bad overall doesn’t matter to me and don’t want to head down that argument because that should be a call for Europeans to make. As far as the prize, Hal is right, the Noble committee is diminishing the prize into a Time magazine event.

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  30. mrblume

    Anyhow, I bet there is more evidence to suggest NATO played more of a role to stop fighting in Europe than the EU did.

    That’s just a way for Americans to claim credit without having to say so. It’s also bullshit. A military alliance will fall apart as soon as soon as the allied countries no longer have shared interests. The EU is creating those shared interests. NATO owes it’s continued existence to the EU, and more importantly, the Soviet Union. And guess what. The Soviet Union is barely history, and NATO is already in an existential crisis.

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  31. Poosh

    Not only can the European Union, the recipient of this prize, make this claim; it can make others: it never had a civil war; it never had slavery; it never brutally eradicated a native population; it never interned foreign citizens.

    HE MUST be joking now. He can’t be serious!? This is the most absurd sleight of hand EVER. … and also the majority of people who run the EU are UNELECTED. No one has any democratic control over them.

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  32. Poosh

    Another pathetic sleight of hand, most people do want the “EU” as it was orginally intended. Few people other than liberal elites and socialists, want the EU to continue on its present path and transform into a “United States of Europe”.

    You’d think the failings of the Euro during the current crisis would show you how stupid the EU dream is. We. Told. You. So. The single currency was always asking for trouble.

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  33. Poosh

    Most people here seem to think that just because they intimately familiar with their own talking points, that qualifies as intellectual debate. Sure, those will do their job while riffing alongside like-minded partisans. But if you want me to offer substance, I will need to be rewarded with the same.

    But. You’re. Talking. Shit.

    The EU has a host of powers and arbitrary edicts of which NO ONE has voted on. It has a massive bureaucracy and unelected liberal thugs, sorry “elites” who no one has heard of, dictating how each country should police itself lest it be fined. The bullshit Human Rights act for example – FORCING us to give criminal scum the fucking vote. Simply saying “they can leave the EU” is pathetic. The EU, many perhaps most people believe, was what it implies – A UNION of European Nations. Few signed on for a “united states of Europe”.

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  34. HARLEY

    . The EU is creating those shared interests. NATO owes it’s continued existence to the EU,

    given the current state of the EU the disintegration of NATO would be a very bad thing.

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  35. hist_ed

    The Committee seems to be in an every other year cycle, or every third year.

    I think they do one of their political stunts and then, stung by the reaction (or perhaps a little self realization) they go back to someone who deserves it.

    So let’s go back and review some recent ones:

    2001: Kofi Annan and the UN: liberal pieties massaged
    2002: Jimmy Carter: Gets the award for not being George Bush whoops, there goes my theory about alternating years–damn
    2003: Shirin Ebadi: Iranian lawyer resisting loathsome dictatorship-good one
    2004: Wangari Muta Maathai-Afrtican chick who planted a lot of trees-don’t know enough to judge this one, but maybe serious
    2005: Mohamed El Baradei–HAHAHAHAHAHA. Get’s the award for thwarting George Bush-actually does more against peace than most winners by providing cover to the Iranian regime in its quest to get a bomb big enough to kill all the Jews in the Middle East.
    2006 Muhammad Yunus: Micro credit-awesome use of free market principles to make poor people less so
    2007: IPCC and Al Gore. No need to even comment. Except Al Gore is NOT GEORGE BUSH
    2008 Martti Oiva Kalevi Ahtisaari: Hand job to a European diplomat. Not bad, I suppose
    2009: Barack Obama: Hey look, He’s NOT GEORGE BUSH.
    2010: Liu Xiaobo: Chinese prisoner resisting loathsome dictatorship*
    2011: 13 women who were resisting loathsome crap
    2012: The EU.

    See the problem is, after 2009 they had to stop handing out anti-George Bush awards, so they needed some filler.

    I actually think that the EU is more deserving than Obama, the IPCC, Jimmy Carter, and El Baradei.

    The problem with this award is that the committee is confusing cause and effect. The EU can exist because the major (Western) powers of Europe aren’t gonna invade each other anymore. The EU is a symptom of peace not a cause. For that I guess we can thank the Commies-the threat of Soviet invasion made the Germans and French scared enough that they tried to forget how much they hate each other.

    *Super cool peace prize irony-in 2010, the 2009 Peace prize winner gave a State dinner for the man who keeps the 2010 winner in prison! How cool is that?

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  36. Section8

    That’s just a way for Americans to claim credit without having to say so. It’s also bullshit.

    Actually I was stating NATO, not America itself. Now I know you, as a leftist self-hating American (and people wonder why so many accuse Obama’s base as anti-American), feel the need to immediately make it a US vs whatever with the US being the cause of every thing evil. I know you feel the need to diminish anything good America may have ever done, and deny it ever happened while feeling the urge to magnify any of its wrongs. that’s what people do when they disdain something. Don’t worry all of us here get it. We know that’s gives folks like you a sense of intellectual superiority and self worth. Good for you!

    As far as America’s contribution to European peace, I’ll just flat out state we played a big role. I don’t need to hint around that if you want to bring America into the mix. You know that open up your purse you decided to throw Poosh’s way? look at some history. As far as Britain, they’ve also opened up their purse plenty. And look at the thanks they get from folks like you. Why bother? You’d just forget about it tomorrow anyhow. Now run along sport do your leftist part for peace and throw another bumper sticker on your car.

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  37. Mississippi Yankee

    And guess what. The Soviet Union is barely history, and NATO is already in an existential crisis.

    Mr. blume, do you not have a news feed on your internet?
    Do you not believe Putin is furiously trying to restore Russia back to it’s former greatness. And by greatness I’m speaking of being the super-power it was in the latter part of the 20th century. Please spare me notion that he was elected in a fair and democratic process.

    Russia, in a large part, with China in a lesser role are the money,munitions and technology behind Iran, Syria subsequently Hezbollah and Hamas. In fact it is my opinion that a lot of the turmoil on the Arab Street is, in fact, Putin trying to draw zealots out of Chechnya in the short term.

    As for a diminishing NATO you may be right but for the wrong reason. And I think George Santayana’s quote fits perfectly here:
    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

    Perhaps Frau Merkel can replace NATO with a more indigenous force, and maybe change their uniform shirts to something in an earth tone, let’s say ‘brown’? Of course a brand new insignia might be welcomed too. Something eye-catching and distinctive. Any suggestions?

    Although when it’s all in place “The Eastern Front” still would be the place to avoid. But you’ll probably be the new Colonel Klink by then then. Or are you a more Vichy type politician?

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  38. mrblume

    Actually I was stating NATO, not America itself.

    The point, to make it explicit, is that NATO is essentially the US and Europe (I’m sure no one here will complain about the omission of Canada). If the US is to take none of the credit, then it remains with the European nations, those very same that have built the EU.

    I’m certainly not denying the role the US played during the Cold War, and through it it’s contribution to what Europe is today. I’m happy to credit NATO with preventing a Soviet takeover. But I’m crediting the EU with preventing the next Franco-German war.

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  39. CM

    Trying to give Iraqi people a fighting chance of building a consensual government built on democratic principles. Giving ALL the right to have their say. Freedom for me, but not for thee, eh CM!

    Not even in the slightest. That’s just brainless.

    Freedom and peace is the rise of the civil, liberal, democratic society.

    Yeah, from within.

    We cannot have peace without these. So yes, we – our soldiers – did our bit for peace. World peace is not the absence of war: it is the absence of the whip and chain.

    The soldiers just followed orders. Your government bullshitted it’s way there on bogus grounds. There is no way the Iraqi invasion was “for peace”. That’s ridiculous. Even the former director general of Britain’s domestic intelligence agency said the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had greatly increased the terrorist threat to Britain and that intelligence available before the Iraq war had not been sufficient to justify the invasion of that country.

    They again, one can hardly expect someone who demands man work 40% of their lives AS SLAVES to support others, under the lash of the state, to understand these things.

    WTF are you talking about now, and how is a tax level even remotely relevant to your ludicrous claim that Iraq was invaded for peace?
    Did you just push the ‘random selection of words’ generator again?

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  40. Poosh

    You know, after “running” into so called Ron Paul-bots and uber-Libertarians (the real far-right I guess) I don’t even feel that annoyed at what mrblume says.

    I for one am glad America and her military might is there to protect Europe if… or when.. the shit hits the fan, if Putin really flips out, or something worse.

    I’d credit free-market capitalism and more realistic forms of nationalism as the real reason for peace in most of Europe. Capitalism and healthy self pride in your nation creates wealth, and more wealth than conquest could ever dream of.

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  41. Poosh

    CM, I’m not interested in what you type. I shouldn’t have responded to your original stupid comment prior to, so I guess that’s my own fault. Back to default ignore everything you say.

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  42. CM

    CM, I’m not interested in what you type. I shouldn’t have responded to your original stupid comment prior to, so I guess that’s my own fault. Back to default ignore everything you say.

    LOL. Ok then dude. Whatever gets you through the night. Ya weirdo.

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  43. Poosh

    Weirdo? After multiple attempts to reason with you over the year (s) there’s simply no talking to you, you can’t even understand the sources you link to. Person after person has to endure you. I’ve told you this many times. At least I’m telling you I’m ignoring you. I shouldn’t have responded to your first comment, as I said before – my mistake.

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  44. CM

    Weirdo?

    Yep. In addition to the dozens of times you’ve replied to tell me you’re not going to reply you threw these bit of nonsense at me:

    Freedom for me, but not for thee, eh CM!

    Weirdly implying that I don’t want freedom for anyone but myself.

    They again, one can hardly expect someone who demands man work 40% of their lives AS SLAVES to support others, under the lash of the state, to understand these things.

    This is just weird.

    After multiple attempts to reason with you over the year (s) there’s simply no talking to you, you can’t even understand the sources you link to.

    The implication and slave comment above is your attempt to reason with me is it? Really? I don’t think so.
    Which source(s) did I not understand? (this is another random weirdo comment).

    Person after person has to endure you. I’ve told you this many times.

    And we all have to endure you. And?

    At least I’m telling you I’m ignoring you. I shouldn’t have responded to your first comment, as I said before – my mistake.

    But you’ve told me dozens of times that you’re ignoring me, so clearly you’re not.
    Perhaps, instead, you should have responded to my first comment with something that actually makes sense. Would be easier than pretending to ignore me.

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  45. Xetrov

    Hey, I’ve never had a civil war, engaged in slavery, brutally eradicated a native population, or interned foreign citizens. Can I get the award too?

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