DNC Open Thread

We’ll keep this going as long as we can. I did not get a chance to watch tonight but will catch up on anything interesting.

In the meantime, the Democrats’ platform is up. I couldn’t more than skim it because its giddy exhortations of big government made me ill. But plenty of brave souls have gone through it. Here’s one: Mother Jones points out how they have backed off of civil liberties. And another: Matthew Yglesias, one of the honest liberals, tears apart five dumb platitudes.

Update: Factcheck does their job at the DNC. Good for them.

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  1. Mississippi Yankee

    Read this paragraph over at Hot Air and it seems to sum up not only day ! of the DNC but their allegation that the right is engage in a War on Women.

    …I’ve got to say, in all sincerity: I appreciate their brazenness in building a convention around the theme of a “war on women” while not only inviting Bill Clinton to be a headline speaker but having a video tribute to Teddy to start things off. They’re all but admitting that their pretense of moral superiority really is just a pose taken for political effect. If John Edwards had walked out onstage to a standing ovation after this clip ended, it would have been one of the most honest moments in recent convention history…

    Convention devoted to women celebrates Ted Kennedy unironically

    Neither Mary Jo Kopechne nor Elizabeth Edwards could be reached for comments.
    Monica Lewinsky decided to blow the event off.

    Also on a slight tangent:
    A vagina costume lay abandoned in a sad, pink heap 20 yards from the stage at a Planned Parenthood rally in Charlotte Tuesday.

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  2. salinger

    …I’ve got to say, in all sincerity: I appreciate their brazenness in building a convention around the theme of a “war on women” while not only inviting Bill Clinton to be a headline speaker

    I’m sorry – it seems to me a thinking person could differentiate between an individuals’ personal failings and an entire political parties’ stated platform. One may not relish every member – even those of high position – in a group that one finds oneself, do to circumstances, associated with just as one shouldn’t sign on with a crew of ill intent because of a charismatic leader or hot chicks playing tambourines.

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  3. Dave D

    Sally hasn’t figured out that the WORST thing you can do, in a liberals eyes, is be a hyporcrite. Too funny!

    Also, “war on women” is not too different than “war on a few hot women that I have abused along the way”. Clintons collective body of work is his own little “war on women”, imo.

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  4. Hal_10000 *

    Xetrov, I posted a link to factcheck, who are doing a good job on the DNC.

    I’m still catching up on last night. What the heck was up with Strickland? And people thought Eastwood was weird.

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  5. Thrill

    Future generations will marvel at the Obama campaign and the DNC. Focusing their entire convention on taxpayer-subsidized abortion, a fifth tier concern for voters this year and one of the most divisive topics they could choose.

    Even dumber than running an outspoken Vietnam War protestor as a Vietnam War hero.

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  6. CM

    Xetrov, I posted a link to factcheck, who are doing a good job on the DNC.

    Looks pretty decent to me.
    The only speeches I watched in full were from Deval Patrick and Michelle Obama. I thought Patrick was pretty good (although I see he lied about the “47th” place thing). I thought Michelle Obama’s speech was extremely good. I certainly liked how she constantly talked about the importance of working hard and responsibility (much like Obama did in his Roanoke speech).
    I heard Strickland was pretty awful.

    Focusing their entire convention on taxpayer-subsidized abortion

    Really? Again, I only heard two of the speeches in full, but I heard very litle about abortion. In the parts I saw there was a considerable amount about military families, and nothing about abortion (other than a single line in Michelle Obama’s speech about the right to choose I think). Obviously all the abortion stuff must have been elsewhere.

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  7. Mississippi Yankee

    Salinger

    You do realize in the War on Women the late Sen. Edward Kennedy is the only one with a confirmed kill right?

    I’m sorry – it seems to me a thinking person could differentiate between an individuals’ personal failings and an entire political parties’ stated platform.

    The last thing that concerns me about the Circus in Charlotte is whether the DNC acknowledges a deity or Jerusalem as the capital of Israel but the complete and dishonest display of National Convention Chair Antonio Villaraigosa taking a voice vote THREE f’ing times and then making his decree was astounding Chaos at DNC as Chair Overrules Delegates to Put God, Jerusalem Back in Platform

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  8. salinger

    The last thing that concerns me about the Circus in Charlotte is whether the DNC acknowledges a deity or Jerusalem as the capital of Israel

    You know – I’d find this whole thing pretty laughable too other than the fact that it’s the misguided beliefs of so many sky pixie cultists that seem to be intent on dragging this country back into the dark ages. The fact that both parties cater to these delusionistas is rather worrisome to me.

    Think about it – on one hand we have a guy with a good chance of becoming president who believes in magic underwear and on the other we have one so afraid of the religious nuts he has the party platform dishonestly changed.

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  9. Mississippi Yankee

    I brought up the Platform change only to point out the hypocrisy, fear and desperation of a political party that sees the end is nigh.

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  10. salinger

    I brought up the Platform change only to point out the hypocrisy, fear and desperation of a political party that sees the end is nigh.

    As opposed to a party with a decent sized faction who know the end times are nigh?

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  11. CM

    The last thing that concerns me about the Circus in Charlotte is whether the DNC acknowledges a deity or Jerusalem as the capital of Israel

    Yep, so very lame.
    ‘More attempts to distract from the state of the economy!’

    Anyway, at least one Jew is on-board:

    The decision by the Democratic National Committee not to include the meaningless “Jerusalem-capital-of-Israel” language into its party platform is a breath of fresh air. It is a small but significant indication that the discussion on Israel and Palestine may be leaving the parallel universe in which it has flourished—in total detachment from the real world—and returning to the universe in which empirical realities matter.

    In the simple assertion—one to which Israel’s leaders have formally agreed—that the status of Jerusalem will be determined through negotiations, the DNC has made a modest but significant contribution to creating political breathing space needed to conduct a frank discussion, even (and, perhaps, especially) during an election campaign. In doing so, they have acted responsibly, in accordance with not only the vital interests of the United States, but those of its ally, Israel.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/05/hurricane-jerusalem-hits-the-dnc.html

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  12. Section8

    You know – I’d find this whole thing pretty laughable too other than the fact that it’s the misguided beliefs of so many sky pixie cultists that seem to be intent on dragging this country back into the dark ages. The fact that both parties cater to these delusionistas is rather worrisome to me.

    If find it incredible how we’re finding the bogeyman in anyone who is religious these days primarily Christians, who have throughout the history of this country been a major part of it. They have been an overwhelming majority of the populous for most if not all of its history. I’m not sure what you mean back to the dark ages. We’ve had our bad moments, but have been the light for many countries as a model for freedom. Too bad you don’t respect this, but I’m never surprised to hear this from the left because as much as they deny it most of them loath this country and always have, and won’t be happy until all of its past is demonized, and the new utopia begins. One run by the misguided notion that everything would be great if we could find an everlasting and benevolent super human.

    It seems to me the whole Christian boogeyman thing started not long after 9/11 because ankle grabbing leftists couldn’t stomach the fact that people were pissed at Muslim extremists for blowing our buildings, so in that good old “balancing act” we had to have an equal and opposite evil just so we could say America is just as bad. God forbid we might not be as bad, and sure as hell never say we’re better at anything.

    Anyhow, I don’t subscribe to any God, but I like the concept of it being in a platform because I’d rather owe my rights and freedoms to an imaginary higher power over some media driven Messiah any day of the week. You want to talk wacky cultism.

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  13. Hal_10000 *

    They just had Sandra Fluke out giving a speech that was pure victimhood. The crowd ate it up. Note to Ms. Fluke: I hope we never live in an America where idiot radio hosts are not free to say stupid things.

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  14. salinger

    “There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.”

    “Religions are all alike, founded upon fables and myths.”

    “And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter”
    Thomas Jefferson

    “What is it the Bible teaches us? — rapine, cruelty, and murder. What is it the Testament teaches us? — to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married, and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.”
    Thomas Paine

    “Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”

    “What has been Christianity’s fruits? Superstition, bigotry, and persecution.”
    James Madison

    “The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession.”
    Abraham Lincoln

    Pre-dates 9/11 2001 a bit.

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  15. Hal_10000 *

    Watching Bill Clinton now. As much as I disagree with what he’s saying, he’s on. That might be because the previous speakers were so bad.

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  16. Thrill

    Oh, he’s going off on the Student Loan “Reform”. The desperate new entitlement to get the young to turn out to the polls to vote for the guy who is destroying their future.

    Bill Clinton should end his speech with “The Era of Big Government is BACK, bitch!”

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  17. Hal_10000 *

    Ah, that speech almost made me miss the old rascal.

    Almost.

    I understand a lot of it was ad-libbed. The original text was four pages and he went like 45 minutes.

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  18. Thrill

    He is the living embodiment of the Voice of Saruman. Pleasant and convincing as all sweetness and light, but totally corrupted and wrongheaded.

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  19. CM

    Watching Clinton made me wonder…..why wasn’t Dubya speaking at the GOP convention last week? Surely former Presidents are key ammunition at events like this?

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  20. Hal_10000 *

    Agreed. Clinton has a life too. But Clinton is popular (his approval rating is, I shit you not, 69%), Bush is not. The last thing Mitt Romney wants the voters thinking about is George W. Bush.

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  21. CM

    Clinton was great (as good as Michelle, but obviously doing a different job). I didn’t have time to see/hear anything else (he went on for so bloody long, too long, and Breaking Bad takes priority to pretty much everything else in life at the moment) but I heard the rest of the evening was weak (as you noted Hal). Even Sullivan was critical about most of the rest of the evening.
    Politifact didn’t seem to have too many issues with Clinton.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/sep/05/Bill-Clinton-Democratic-convention/
    Neither did FactCheck.org
    http://factcheck.org/2012/09/our-clinton-nightmare/

    This Convention seems better organised and more focused than the GOP one. I thought some of the speeches there were pretty good, but not in the same league as Michelle Obama or Clinton (in terms of energising the base, and grabbing a few independents/moderates). Of course I’m sure the GOP is probably looking forward to Biden. At least, for his sake, Obama gets to follow Joe instead of his wife or Bill Clinton.

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  22. Seattle Outcast

    Despite being impeached, reviled by many to the point of incoherence, and generally regarded as a bald-faced liar, Clinton likely would have won a 3rd term if he able to run. He’s just that good at playing the game.

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  23. Section8

    Pre-dates 9/11 2001 a bit.

    Yes it does, and I don’t argue that the Founders were for the most part against religion. A religion which had a very high influence in government at the time, but my point is

    1) The religious nuts are not taking over
    2) The majority of people in this country are religious, and I don’t consider them to all be nuts, and they won’t let the religious nuts take over, because if they wanted to then by majority vote all religious nuts would be in office right now and would have been for the last century. They aren’t, and haven’t been
    3) It seems to be fashionable to call anyone who is religious nuts these days, unless of course the nut is part of a different religion other than Christian, which in that case calling them nuts = being racist

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  24. Thrill

    Despite being impeached, reviled by many to the point of incoherence, and generally regarded as a bald-faced liar, Clinton likely would have won a 3rd term if he able to run. He’s just that good at playing the game.

    Shit, he’d STILL be president, I think. If not for term limits, it looked like the crowd was perfectly willing to nominate him, line up one after another in front the stage with the Presidential knee pads on, and after finishing; wipe off their mouths to say, “Barack who?”

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  25. Iconoclast

    Well, he completely lost me when he referred to Obama as someone “…who burns for America on the inside.” I doubt that the “America” he allegedly “burns for” is one I’d care to recognize…

    I realize that Fleetwood Mac’s “Don’t Stop” was Clinton’s campaign theme, but I couldn’t help but be struck by the irony as the crowd was going wild for this ex-President while the band sang “Yesterday’s Gone, Yesterday’s Gone” in the background.

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  26. Thrill

    I couldn’t help but be struck by the irony as the crowd was going wild for this ex-President while the band sang “Yesterday’s Gone, Yesterday’s Gone” in the background.

    HA! Those people in there are irony-proof, I assure you.

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  27. CM

    FactCheck might be doing ok on the political lies. But on the personal front, not so much.

    Pretty weak though, that Breitbart piece. Most of it deals with after they ‘made it’.

    In 1971, Obama returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents, Madelyn and Stanley Dunham, and with the aid of a scholarship attended Punahou School, a private college preparatory school, from fifth grade until his graduation from high school in 1979.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#Family_and_personal_life

    He was 27 by the time he went to Harvard.

    Her parents were a city water plant employee (and Democratic precinct captain), and a secretary at Spiegel’s catalog store.

    Admission to Whitney Young is granted based on entrance exam performance and elementary school grades, and is open to all residents of Chicago. Each year, there are more than 10,000 applications for 450 freshman openings. Admissions are based on academic grades, standardized test scores, and entrance exam results.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Young_Magnet_High_School

    I’m struggling to see what she lied about?
    There is no indication that growing up as kids they had any sort of privileged life. She had the benefit of a much more stable childhood, that’s for sure.

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  28. CM

    I realize that Fleetwood Mac’s “Don’t Stop” was Clinton’s campaign theme, but I couldn’t help but be struck by the irony as the crowd was going wild for this ex-President while the band sang “Yesterday’s Gone, Yesterday’s Gone” in the background.

    Genius observation, love it.

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  29. Xetrov

    I’m struggling to see what she lied about?

    Let’s see, how did you put it in the Ryan discussion…

    As I say, they are Michael Moore lies. Technically, nothing [s]he says is untrue. But the narrative isn’t an accurate reflection, and that because of what [s]he chooses to leave in and what [s]he chooses to leave out.

    Peace.

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  30. CM

    So what did she leave out that would fundamental alter the general thrust of the story?
    I may end up agreeing with you if there are important aspects left out. But what are they?

    Kids from non-rich / non-privileged households can end up going to great schools, and doing well. That’s part of what makes America great isn’t it (seriously, I personally think it is). Obama and Michelle would seem to be an excellent example of ‘the American Dream’.

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  31. CM

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  32. Xetrov

    BTW, I’ll bet anyone $100 that the day after Biden’s speech (or hell, even Obama’s) that a google search for “biden speech” doesn’t return all of the top results with headline words such as “lies” “hypocrisies”, “Not accurate” etc. from all of the major media sources, even though I’ll be able to point out as many if not more “lies” than were in Ryan’s speech.

    I wish someone had taken me up on the bet.

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  33. Mississippi Yankee

    The 2012 YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH!!11!1! moment

    Never in my life have I seen a Canadian (ok ex-Canadian) so animated. And BTW isn’t “Call in the cavalry” just as racist as “Hold down the fort”?

    Jennifer Granholm goes nuts for Obama

    You don’t necessarily have to be crazy to be a Democrat, but it helps.

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  34. Dave D

    I have lived in Michigan my entire life and endured Gov JenJen for her entire term. She did NOTHING to improve the condition of the state, increased the size of state government more than any previous governor, pandered to the auto industry and pet target (eviro, etc.) industries that failed (sound familiar?) and basically failed to make hard decisions for 8 years. She basically cashed in her pension the day she was voted out, moved to california and is making money as a lecturer to our liberal establishment universities.

    Governor Snyder has come in and acted very “Walker-esque” in his first two years, balanced the budget (witha surplus) and (combined with a very hard-working Mayor Dave Bing) is REALLY pissing off the entrenched hostile Detroit city council by making them make hard decision to avoid city failure/emergency manangement. The recovery has been very easy to watch.

    For the dems to trot her out as some success story and play such a large (hysterical) role in the convention is beyond pathetic…..

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  35. Mississippi Yankee

    The fact that Michigan ‘muled her in’ from Canada and the DNC brought her in from California may be an actual violation of the Mann Act.

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  36. Hal_10000 *

    Jennifer Granholm goes nuts for Obama

    You don’t necessarily have to be crazy to be a Democrat, but it helps.

    Yeah, I saw the Granholm speech. Good Lord! Where’s the thorazine when you need it?

    Granholm, BTW, is on the short list for worst governor of the last two decades.

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  37. Xetrov

    Oops.

    On the last night of the Democratic National Convention, a retired Navy four-star took the stage to pay tribute to veterans. Behind him, on a giant screen, the image of four hulking warships reinforced his patriotic message.

    But there was a big mistake in the stirring backdrop: those are Russian warships.

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