Laying An Egg

It’s a dangerous world out there. Operating heavy machinery while having a buzz on can lead to funny youtube vidoes, so can douchebags operating video cameras.

Yesterday was Chick Fil A Appreciation Day (sadly, I was MIA, still keeping my record of never eating there intact). And although I think the crowd came down 90% in support of free speech, and 10% thinking they are some civil rights champion on a mission, some in the latter category donned their super hero suit and went on crusade, one case in point.

A leopard can’t change his spots, and the critically impaired critical thinkers go on parade exposing their already exposed shortcomings:

Libs don’t really care about the environment- Notice all the fossil fuels he is willing to burn, not to mention the Styrofoam cup and the wasted water, all to prove a point, would not his point be equally vapid with a bit more care as to the environmental needs of mother earth?

Libs are bullies- Not willing to pick on some one his own size, or someone that actually stood for something like a corporate lacky or store manager, he goes after the lowest rung on the ladder, a minimum wage female employee who is clearly uncomfortable with the encounter yet manages to show 10 times more class and decorum then the libtard with the camera.

Libs are stoners- how else can you explain the delusion he talks himself into, where he sees a group of people a block away, yet somehow convinces himself that they and he are simpatico on this issue and are as he speaks in preparation of a sit in to bolster his efforts of exposing bigotry?

Libs have an entirely unrealistic opinion of themselves- hence the major production and build up, but no pay out in the end, nor did not expose anything or get some confession, he berates a fast food employee and is proud of it, nice job.

And finally, libs are all talk but no real conviction. They keep telling us they are the party of free speech and tolerance, yet time and time again, they woefully come up short of putting it into practice. Trapped in their own box of hate, they can’t demonstrate any civility or respect of opinions different from their own. The lock step can countenance one set of values, and stepping outside that narrow parameter, anything else must by definition be hate inspired. So we are left with a group of closed brains who can’t understand the simple concept that a defense of traditional marriage does not in of itself constitute a hatred of gays or even an anti gay agenda.

And this intolerance to those of different opinions can seem alien, even off setting to some:

“The level of hatred, unfounded fear and misinformed people was astoundingly sad. I can’t even print some of the things people said.”

Yes, it was so sad and hatred filled that he could not provide one single example ( even a lie, something that didn’t happen would at least provide some substantiation, even anecdotal), but saying so fits better into the narrative of his readers.

I mentioned before, from a purely business perspective, venturing into this swamp was not very business savvy. If your goal is to increase business (build more restaurants, sell more chicken sandwiches, serve more customers and thus make more money) then anything said that excludes any segment of those potential customers is counter productive to that goal. I think he has done the proper damage control by adding:

“In recent weeks, we have been accused of being anti-gay,” Cathy said in a written statement. “We have no agenda against anyone. While my family and I believe in the Biblical definition of marriage, we love and respect anyone who disagrees.”

But that respect is not mutual, and only flows one way.

None of this controversy has motivated me to make an appearance at one of their restaurants, nor would it spark any action if I was of the other persuasion, but people don’t like bullies and they certainly don’t like elected officials telling them what their values should be. The final arbiter on the matter will be dollars, those spent at the restaurants or those withheld and spent someplace else, but let the people decide.

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  1. Hal_10000

    This isn’t a free speech issue, as I see it. While I think it’s stupid to boycott a company because their CEO is a twerp — I do business with lots of people whose politics I don’t like — it’s not a surpression of their free speech unless the government does it. No one has a right to be heard or have their opinions respected. And when you give money to the despicable Family Research Council, you’ve earned some vilification.

    That having been said, taking it on a low-level employee is complete cowardice and dickitude. This person is just doing their damned job.

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  2. TxAg94

    how else can you explain the delusion he talks himself into, where he sees a group of people a block away, yet somehow convinces himself that they and he are simpatico on this issue and are as he speaks in preparation of a sit in to bolster his efforts of exposing bigotry?

    He simply latched onto it as his “mob” to work up the courage to actually say something. If he hadn’t been able to find a group to convince himself were behind him he likely would have grabbed his water and left. Actually, he probably would have shouted something hateful to the poor girl as he drove off, not willing to risk giving her a chance to respond.

    Just my amateur analysis.

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  3. richtaylor365 *

    their CEO is a twerp

    Is he a twerp solely because he has values and opinions different from yours?

    it’s not a surpression of their free speech unless the government does it.

    But the government, in the form of 3 mayors who decide which value systems get greenlighted for permits in their cities, is doing it.

    And when you give money to the despicable Family Research Council, you’ve earned some vilification.

    So they are despicable because they have values different from yours? TBH I had to peruse their website because I did not know who the hell these people were but they got their fingers in many pies, do you think all of their views, in all matters of the traditional family and religious liberty are despicable? Can a CEO give money to a group that does some good things that he supports (such as working within the court system to protect The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution) without your vilification, even though that group has other ideas you don’t support?

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  4. Xetrov

    This isn’t a free speech issue, as I see it.

    I disagree.

    it’s not a surpression of their free speech unless the government does it.

    San Francisco Mayor Edwin Lee via Twitter –

    Closest #ChickFilA to San Francisco is 40 miles away & I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer.

    Chicago Mayor “Dead Fish” –

    Chick-fil-A’s values are not Chicago values. They’re not respectful of our residents, our neighbors and our family members. And if you’re gonna be part of the Chicago community, you should reflect Chicago values.

    This after he accepted Louis Farrakhan’s offer to have the Nation of Islam help police some areas of the city. Surprisingly (or not), Rahm didn’t feel the need to bring up this when he talked to Farrakhan.

    Boston Mayor Thomas Manino –

    In recent days you said Chick-fil-A opposes same-sex marriage and said the generation that supports it has ‘an arrogant attitude. Now—incredibly—your company says you are backing out of the same-sex marriage debate. I urge you to back out of your plans to locate in Boston.

    When mayors are making statements such as these, it is most certainly a freedom of speech issue. The guy expressed his own opinion on gay marriage when asked about it.

    PS: I hadn’t been to Chick-fil-A in a long time, and my chicken sandwich last night was awesome. The pickles are my favorite part. So I thank this controversy brought on by a liberal media, and liberal politicians. I now have a new go-to place for lunch.

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  5. Kimpost

    Is he a twerp solely because he has values and opinions different from yours?

    twerp, twirp [twɜːp]
    n
    Informal a silly, weak-minded, or contemptible person
    [of unknown origin]

    If someone holds views you feel disgusted by, would you not sometimes possibly feel that such a person is contemptible because of it?

    1. It’s bigoted to think that marriage should be between a man and a woman, ie being a supporter of “traditional marriage”.

    2. Regardless of #1 the controversy doesn’t stop there. Given their donations, the company clearly feels that homosexuality in itself is wrong. If someone reads religious scripture in such a way that he/she thinks that homosexuality is wrong in any way, shape or form, then that person is a bigot. At least, in that particular regard. The person might very well be a saint (pun intended) in a number of other ways, and he/she might top my list over the worlds greatest overall persons alive, but the view we are discussing here would still be bigoted.

    But the government, in the form of 3 mayors who decide which value systems get greenlighted for permits in their cities, is doing it.

    As bad as I think that their initial words were, they aren’t actually doing it. They’ve even said that they couldn’t stop them even if they could. Thank God! <–another intended pun

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  6. Hal_10000

    When the mayors want to ban Chick-Fil-A, that should absolutely be stopped. But most of this isn’t in response to that (several of them have already backed down when someone apparently told them about the Constitution). It’s almost entirely a reaction to Chick-Fil-A “taking a stand” and getting some bad press for it. It’s the Carrie PreJean thing all over again, only without the nudie pics (thank God). It’s the Dr. Laura thing. It’s this bizarre belief that you should be able to express any view you want as long as you call it a Christian one and anyone criticizing you over it is oppressing you. Denying gay people inheritance rights, custody of children, hospital visitation rights; supporting banning gay adoption and breaking up gay families; drumming them out of the military — that’s all OK. But don’t you DARE call that intolerant; that’s intolerant! How dare gays wriggle on the pillory; that’s oppression!

    Is he a twerp solely because he has values and opinions different from yours?

    I’m not required to respect anyone’s views. I usually try to. But there’s no law of nature saying i have to. And I’m not going to respect the FRC. The FRC do a few good things but they are ridiculous in their anti-gay fervor. Their representatives have made numerous false and malicious statement such as that gay men commit pedophilia, that gay parents molest kids, that gay service members would rape their fellow soldiers. They support abstinence-only education, obscenity laws, broadcast censorship, intelligent design, and outlawing abortion. They claim global warming is a hoax. I think I’ve made my views clear on all of those things. They aren’t as bad as the AFA, I don’t think, but they’re pretty close.

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  7. richtaylor365 *

    (several of them have already backed down when someone apparently told them about the Constitution)

    Yes, and isn’t it funny that they did not consider that before shooting off their mouth, that maybe “those people” have rights too.

    But if you think a little old thing like the Constitution will derail demagoguery or dirty tricks, better talk to James Vandersloot.

    It’s almost entirely a reaction to Chick-Fil-A “taking a stand” and getting some bad press for it.

    If it was only that, I would not care at all. I have written posts about the Target Store boycott, how certain folks did not like Target making contributions to organizations thay did not agree with so they boycotted the store. Let your wallet do the talking, if you don’t like what Cathy said, don’t eat there, you don’t like what Target did, don’t buy their shit.

    But I’m trying to come up with a flip side scenario, where a mayor decided to go after say Ben and Jerry’s for their progressive positions, then telling them to stay out because their values do not reflect the collective of the community. Holy Shit, can you imagine the firestorm?

    It’s this bizarre belief that you should be able to express any view you want as long as you call it a Christian one and anyone criticizing you over it is oppressing you.

    Who has said that? Who believes that? If you believe in free speech, then yes, anyone can express any point of view they want; Christian, atheist, agnostic, all irrelevant. Now if you are saying that he is asking for a special dispensation because he wraps himself around his religion, or is complaining that criticisms are not allowed because he is a Christian, he is fair game. Criticize his views all you want, but don’t say he can’t speak his mind or deserves to get his businesses bushwacked by overzealous public officials.

    Denying gay people inheritance rights, custody of children, hospital visitation rights; supporting banning gay adoption and breaking up gay families; drumming them out of the military — that’s all OK.

    I don’t think Cathy has voiced opinions of any of these, but it was convenient to lump him together with the rest of those gay haters.

    I’m not required to respect anyone’s views

    Totally agree, there are many out there that are chowderheads undeserving of the respect of decent folks. But, they have a right to express their views (and suffer the consequences in the form of ridicule and lost business).

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  8. Hal_10000

    But I’m trying to come up with a flip side scenario, where a mayor decided to go after say Ben and Jerry’s for their progressive positions, then telling them to stay out because their values do not reflect the collective of the community. Holy Shit, can you imagine the firestorm?

    I agree with 100% on that. A few principled leftists like Marc Randazza and Glenn Greenwald were outraged. But the Left has been far too quiet about mayors threatening to bully a business because they have an opinion. So we agree.

    I don’t think Cathy has voiced opinions of any of these, but it was convenient to lump him together with the rest of those gay haters.

    Those are the view of the FRC, to whom Cathy has given money. In fact, it seems like anti-gay stuff is almost all the FRC wants to talk about lately.

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  9. Hal_10000

    I didn’t make this clear enough but I think the whole thing is stupid. I watch Mel Gibson’s movies. I go to Chick-Fil-A, I shop at Target. I really really would like it if they agreed with me politically. But if I start restricting my business to companies that didn’t engage in politics, I’d be limited to buying lemonade from the kids down the street (although I’m not sure about their views on stem-cell research).

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  10. richtaylor365 *

    And the idiocy continues:

    Vante regrets the unfortunate events that transpired yesterday in Tucson between our former CFO/Treasurer Adam Smith and an employee at Chick-fil-A. Effective immediately, Mr. Smith is no longer an employee of our company.

    Hey Vante, no need to fire the guy, that’s what the other side always clamors for, Mr. Smith proved himself a contemptible hump and now the whole world is laughing at him, that is punishment enough.

    I didn’t make this clear enough but I think the whole thing is stupid

    Ditto, but with the all the fallout, kiss ins sponsored by LGBT ( I’d be down with Sophie-Anne Leclerq going at it with Portia de Rossi, but my luck I would stumble onto Chaz Bono and Perez Hilton) and Sally Quinn telling them to infiltrate and take over the place, this issue will not suffer a proper and swift death.

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  11. CM

    I don’t think Cathy has voiced opinions of any of these, but it was convenient to lump him together with the rest of those gay haters.

    The right has been very clear that Obama’s associations define him (socialists, terrorists, racist black preachers). So why don’t Cathy’s controversial afiliations define him? Doesn’t matter if he’s failed to voice those specific opinions (I’m yet to see Obama’s voicing equivalent) opinions.

    Criticize his views all you want, but don’t say he can’t speak his mind or deserves to get his businesses bushwacked by overzealous public officials.

    How did they get ‘bushwacked’ exactly? By speech?

    kiss ins sponsored by LGBT

    Didn’t that come before the National Day of Appreciation? Wasn’t the National Day of Appreciation organised in RESPONSE to the ‘kiss-it’? That’s how I read it anyway.

    I’d be down with Sophie-Anne Leclerq…..

    Best comment made on the issue by a long way.

    Perhaps this is just another example of how sensible and reasonabl discussion is very difficult (almost impossible) in the current polticial environment. It’s effectively reaching War of the Roses level on a whole host of issues.

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  12. CM

    Sally Quinn telling them to infiltrate and take over the place

    What would the problem be with that? Are you suggesting that isn’t legitimate free speech?

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  13. richtaylor365 *

    So why don’t Cathy’s controversial afiliations define him?

    Because its stupid and pointless to lay the laundry list of any group square on a donor. In the past I’ve given money to the Sierra Club, doesn’t mean I agree with all of their positions. Ditto with the RNC, doesn’t mean I support the candidates they fund. Cathy may like the stellar work FRC does wrt religious liberty, doesn’t mean he parrots their stem cell research opinions. And besides ,even if he does (which labeling him as such without proof is just sloppy) does this mean his freedom of speech is denied?

    How did they get ‘bushwacked’ exactly? By speech?

    By getting this ,”Your kind ain’t welcome here, open your restaurants someplace else” thrown in his face.

    What would the problem be with that?

    Who said I had a problem with that, are you having a go at me?

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  14. Poosh

    This is an excellent blog post, Rich, good stuff. Lots of good points about the psychology of the liberal.

    No idea what this franchise is of course. I assume it’s like a Nandos.

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  15. Section8

    Turns out this guy was a CFO, and got canned over this. Now if he was some low level employee, or even at the CFO level just filmed himself with his opinions, I’d say that was a little over done and perhaps a be more careful talking to would have been sufficient. In this case, this is an officer of the company, and should be showing some leadership. Chewing out some kid making minimum wage in a drive-through window is not the way to do it.

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  16. salinger

    Chewing out some kid making minimum wage in a drive-through window is not the way to do it.

    A PR statement released by the company reads:

    The actions of Mr. Smith do not reflect our corporate values in any manner. Vante is an equal opportunity company with a diverse workforce, which holds diverse opinions. We respect the right of our employees and all Americans to hold and express their personal opinions, however, we also expect our company officers to behave in a manner commensurate with their position and in a respectful fashion that conveys these values of civility with others.

    Exactly – a bully is a bully is a bully.

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  17. Xetrov

    Turns out this guy was a CFO, and got canned over this.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a lawsuit comes of that. AZ is a right-to-work state, meaning they could have fired him and given him no reason, and he’d have had no recourse. But they specified the reason for the firing in the press release. They might have a legit reason (being CFO, and representing the company poorly in the public), but I almost expect a lawsuit to be filed soon.

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  18. JimK

    Exactly – a bully is a bully is a bully.

    This. Over at Ace’s last night, Maetenloch posted some pretty wise analysis of why the company kind of had to fire this dick.

    Now I’m not exactly cheering his firing but I also have about zero sympathy for him either. I separate his actions into two parts:

    1. What he actually did – which is mainly be a douchy jerk to someone who wasn’t in position to defend themselves. Note that he didn’t assault her, curse at her, or make any threats. So yeah, utter douchnozzle but not a criminal or beat-down worthy offense.

    2. What this reveals about him as person – which is that he’s a smug bully convinced of his goodness but with absolutely no self-awareness, and the utter bad judgment to post video of the whole thing on YouTube. This is really what got him fired.
    For me #2 is more damning since I figure that if he’s willing to video himself doing this, that means he’s pretty comfortable with it and has probably done it quite a few times before. And I don’t doubt that if had any power at all over the girl he would have used it to abuse and/or fire her.

    So if I were CEO of Vante I would have fired him too – even if I agreed with his views 100% – for having the terminal bad judgment to do something like this. Where there’s dumbass smoke, there’s usually dumbass fire you just don’t know about yet.

    Now one douche being douchey in public isn’t a big deal by itself, but when you put a few KingDouches together with any power, you do start to get real intimidation and harassment.

    Bottom line is, this video was smoke evidence of a raging fire of douchery that the company simply does not want. And they were right to let him go.

    This issue is getting like abortion. It brings out the absolute worst in everyone who gets invested in it. Have a goddamned opinion. Vote accordingly. Patronize whomever you wish based on how you feel. But for the love of fuck, STOP BEING SUCH ASSHOLES ALL THE GODDAMNED TIME ABOUT IT. Pro and con, just stop being assholes.

    Is it so fucking hard for people to not be dicks all the time? He said, knowing the answer already from having run blogs and forums since 1995….

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  19. repmom

    This issue is getting like abortion. It brings out the absolute worst in everyone who gets invested in it. Have a goddamned opinion. Vote accordingly. Patronize whomever you wish based on how you feel. But for the love of fuck, STOP BEING SUCH ASSHOLES ALL THE GODDAMNED TIME ABOUT IT. Pro and con, just stop being assholes.

    Amen to that.

    I’m late to the discussion, and have nothing of real value to add, but must express my amazement of this guy. What a creep! He must make his family so proud.

    The employee – wow! She deserves a gold medal -maybe a raise – for handling herself so well throughout his rant.

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  20. repmom

    Exactly – a bully is a bully is a bully.

    Why did Salinger get a thumbs down for this? Just curious.

    I second that question. Did someone think he was being sarcarstic? Was he? What? It’s hard to know sometimes when you don’t hear the tone of voice.

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  21. Hal_10000

    2. What this reveals about him as person – which is that he’s a smug bully convinced of his goodness but with absolutely no self-awareness, and the utter bad judgment to post video of the whole thing on YouTube. This is really what got him fired.

    THIS. My wife this exact same point last night. Why on Earth would you video this? Why would you post it? Did he not watch it and realize what an insufferable bullying dick he came across as?

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  22. repmom

    Did he not watch it and realize what an insufferable bullying dick he came across as?

    Jerks like this never do. If he had that awareness, he wouldn’t have done it to begin with. A bully is a bully, and a jerk is a jerk.

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  23. richtaylor365 *

    How did they get ‘bushwacked’ exactly? By speech?

    By getting this ,”Your kind ain’t welcome here, open your restaurants someplace else” thrown in his face.

    Kinda like this.

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  24. Section8

    I second that question. Did someone think he was being sarcarstic? Was he? What? It’s hard to know sometimes when you don’t hear the tone of voice.

    Since we both now have thumbs down, maybe it’s the CFO doing it. hahahah

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  25. repmom

    Since we both now have thumbs down, maybe it’s the CFO doing it. hahahah

    OMG! I got a thumbs down! My day is ruined.

    Fess up. Who did it? :)

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  26. repmom

    Kinda like this.

    She’s using her position to put pressure on someone. How can she possible claim to be just expressing her own opinion?

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  27. CM

    But for the love of fuck, STOP BEING SUCH ASSHOLES ALL THE GODDAMNED TIME ABOUT IT. Pro and con, just stop being assholes.

    Is it so fucking hard for people to not be dicks all the time? He said, knowing the answer already from having run blogs and forums since 1995….

    This doesn’t help:

    Lots of good points about the psychology of the liberal.

    Liberals at work –

    Making grand statements and generalisations is the of the main reasons why people get their backs up and the dick-fest begins. Individual points/examples can easily be made/provided without resorting to the usual ‘libs are tards’. You guys spend considerable effort and time trying say you’re all different, but some (most) of you are more than happy to group all liberals together.

    Now if that’s not worthy of a good old RT 5 thumbs down I don’t know what is ;-p

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  28. repmom

    Perhaps, CM. And I expected to get flack on that, but, seriously, how often do you see such stuff from people on the liberal side in comparison to those on the conservative side?

    If the pattern fits………

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  29. Mississippi Yankee

    THIS. My wife this exact same point last night. Why on Earth would you video this? Why would you post it? Did he not watch it and realize what an insufferable bullying dick he came across as?


    Hal

    The view Mr. Smith expressed in the video and the view you expressed within this post appear to be almost identical. So is it that we see his face but only read your ‘nom de plume’ which gives you the moral high ground?

    repmom
    I’m glad you decided to jump back in… with both feet. I, for one, have missed your sanity.

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  30. repmom

    repmom
    I’m glad you decided to jump back in… with both feet. I, for one, have missed your sanity.

    Thank you. That’s very nice of you to say. I was hestitant, and feared I would regret it immediately, but so far not. I have absolutely appreciated the response I have gotten.

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  31. CM

    Kinda like this.

    Ok yeah, fair enough. That is reprehensible. She should resign.

    Perhaps, CM. And I expected to get flack on that, but, seriously, how often do you see such stuff from people on the liberal side in comparison to those on the conservative side?

    If the pattern fits………

    We could go tit for tat but it wouldn’t mean anything. I’m not saying that bringing attention to individual incidents and examples isn’t important, just that reaching some broad/generalised conclusions on the basis of examples is part of why people then defensively set themselves up at the opposite extreme of each other.

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  32. Poosh

    One is not trying to insult you or be an arsehole. One is trying to understand you, and, upon understanding you, is thusly DESCRIBING YOU. Take no offense, there is no malice involved – merely the desire to understand A is A.

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  33. JimK

    So is it that we see his face but only read your ‘nom de plume’ which gives you the moral high ground?

    MY, are you actually defending this guy?

    I had a reply for you, but then I thought “Wait, he’s not CM, maybe you’re misunderstanding what he wrote.”

    Honestly, what you said to Hal sounds like you don’t acknowledge the massive difference between having an opinion about Chick-fil-A and verbally abusing a random drive-through employee on camera.

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  34. HARLEY

    This guy is a flaming Twat, and he did not get fired, he got shit-canned, and rightfully so. This shows a massive lack of judgment and a very high level of intolerance.
    Posting it on the net, pretty much ensured that he get his ass canned, but not to worry im sure that some one out there that shares his views will pick him up and make a public display over it.

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  35. repmom

    This guy is a flaming Twat, and he did not get fired, he got shit-canned, and rightfully so. This shows a massive lack of judgment and a very high level of intolerance.

    Makes me question how he managed to become CFO of a large company.

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  36. Section8

    Posting it on the net, pretty much ensured that he get his ass canned, but not to worry im sure that some one out there that shares his views will pick him up and make a public display over it.

    Well someone may share his views and that’s one thing, but if they think his way of expressing them are a good thing, good luck to that company.

    As for me, my view on the whole thing and spin it any way you want, but the history of marriage, and its origination had absolutely nothing to do with two people of the same sex getting together, no matter how you try to spin it. From the very beginning religious influence or not, it was to preserve bloodlines, and promote the expansion of a society which in order to do that you have to pop out a kid, and two guys or two women going at it aren’t able to do it. God or no God, it just doesn’t happen. Then religion got involved centuries ago, so yes, marriage has deep connection to religion, which to me I can see why someone with religious beliefs would find the intolerance comes from the opposite direction of people who want to change a custom deeply rooted in religion. It seems that intolerance is conveniently left out these days. Why is that? And if you’re gay why would you want to associate yourself with a custom based on those “idiot religious types”?

    Now if it’s for government benefits, because that’s all that’s left at this point besides a title, well that’s great. Why are single people forced to subsidize any union of two people? Aren’t they the ones who should be in an uproar? I get Hal’s point about hospitals not allowing people to see their partner, and that’s ridiculous. A person should be able to choose who can visit or not regardless of status. Of course if they’re in a coma that’s an issue as they can’t say if the person can come in or not, but perhaps you have a signed list, and that goes for anyone. Inheritance, you should be able to leave your effects to whoever you want. None of this should have to center around the word “marriage”.

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  37. Section8

    Relevant

    Perhaps those who never make it to the top may be reassured to know they weren’t born with a horrifying emotional deformity.

    It couldn’t possibly be that Obama’s rant about business was directed toward his crowd that believes this would it?

    Yes Salinger, you can find asshole CFOs and CEOs. No doubt they are out there, and that’s why I’m not opposed to unions, I just am opposed to unions that get government backing. these corrupt individuals also tend to get on the news. Most behave in a decent manner which is why Repmom asked the question. If it happened everywhere then there would have been no reason to ask. But the fact that there are some corrupt corporate leaders out there isn’t in question. We bitch about it here quite often when they align themselves with politicians to create new laws in the name of “protecting the consumer”, which in many cases just gives them the upper hand.

    Oh, and you can find asshole intellectuals too, regardless of the author’s view that they agonize themselves over the good of the people. Some of these folks tend to justify any, and I mean any government coercion if it promotes their view of how something should be.

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  38. repmom

    Most behave in a decent manner which is why Repmom asked the question.

    Yes. I checked Salinger’s link, and found it interesting. My husband worked for a large oil company for over 35 years, and I think he would say that the description in the first paragraph perfectly fit the CEO of that particular company. And I would agree.

    However, I can’t imagine that same CEO every pulling a stunt like this creep did. Or putting it on the Internet for the world to see.

    I should note – in those 35 years, there were a number of CEO’s. They didn’t all fit that description, but the one there when hubby retired did.

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  39. Mississippi Yankee

    MY, are you actually defending this guy?

    Absolutely NOT! What I wrote was Hal’s written opinion of Mr. Cathy and Mr. Smith’s opinion of Mr. Cathy were almost identical. In fact I thought I expressed it quite plainly.

    Honestly, what you said to Hal sounds like you don’t acknowledge the massive difference between having an opinion about Chick-fil-A and verbally abusing a random drive-through employee on camera.

    Why is there a massive difference (your words) between having a hateful opinion of someone in print or having the same opinion only recording it and showing it on youtube? And the bulk of the video was a soliloquy before he ever got to the window. Both exhibited intolerance in a public media just one gets a lot more air time. Asan example Hal’s very first comment:

    And when you give money to the despicable Family Research Council, you’ve earned some vilification.

    Established his view.

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  40. Mississippi Yankee

    This isn’t a free speech issue, as I see it….it’s not a suppression of their free speech unless the government does it. No one has a right to be heard or have their opinions respected.

    I could not disagree more. This issue became a First Amendment matter the moment the mayors of Boston, SF and Chicago (along with an alderman) threatened to keep CFA out of their cities. There were others but those 4 are just off the top of my head.

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  41. HARLEY

    Well someone may share his views and that’s one thing, but if they think his way of expressing them are a good thing, good luck to that company.

    I was thinking a gay rights group or some left leaning public group.

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  42. Mississippi Yankee

    I had a reply for you, but then I thought “Wait, he’s not CM, maybe you’re misunderstanding what he wrote.”

    JimK,
    After re-reading ALL of the comments especially Hal’s it appears up to a half a dozen others disagree with his comments too. Intellectually I don’t believe anyone misunderstood what Hal had to say.

    And for the record, your expressed views on gay rights AND gay marriage are, for all intents and purposes, the same as mine. But for some reason you seem to bring a lot more “drama” to the discussion. Both here and the NC situation.

    At the most my initial comment was to shine a to shine a light on Hal’s liberalism peaking out around his libertarian facade.

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  43. repmom

    Your attempt to regain a professional career is pathetically transparent.

    Absolutely pathetic! A little apology, followed by a whole lot of “poor me, look at all the horrible things that have happened to me since I did this thing, and my intentions were good, I just got carried away by those evil people at the restaurant [who, btw, were very peacefully having a meal to show their support of freedom of speech]”.

    Toward the end he says he had no idea posting the video would cause problems for his family, or that personal information about him would be made public. He is an idiot!!

    I absolutely don’t approve of the death threats to him, or the posting of personal info, but you have to know that it’s going to happen.

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  44. working_man

    First time I have been around in a long while and I see Repmom is back in the fold – nice!

    As for the douche CFO, it really is all about the lack of judgement. Aside from being a coward by attacking some poor employee at CFA, the idea that he filmed himself and put it on the internet demonstrates an incredible lapse in judgement. Is that who you want in charge of your corporation’s fiduciary responsibilities…?

    Anyway, nice to see some familiar posters and for its worth it may also be the first time I’ve ever felt inclined to agree with Mississippi Yankee on something.

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