Romney Abroad

This just in: the media have flagrantly misrepresented a point Mitt Romney once made about the British Empire as an insult to Britain. I know … shocking, huh? But the stupid Chick-Fil-A story seems to have run out of steam, so we have to talk about something.

Several blogs are running basically non-stop coverage of how badly Mitt is doing in the UK. Part of that is because, well, it’s Mitt and he has a tendency to say dumb things and has no real political principles (Example: he’s promised to get the Churchill bust back. But the bust is (a) Britain’s and (b) was returned because it was specifically loaned, not given, to Bush). But Mitt would get negative coverage even if he were the world’s greatest candidate. As a Republican, the British media are predisposed not to like him. His demeanor and his words make him a perfect straight man for British humor and sarcasm. And he’s there on the eve of the olympics, when there’s a natural surge in excitement and national pride.

So ignore anything coming from the other side of the Atlantic. If Romney is elected, the Brits will find a way to work with him. I mean, for fuck’s sake, if they can work with France, they can work with anyone.

  1. Example: he’s promised to get the Churchill bust back. But the bust is (a) Britain’s and (b) was returned because it was specifically loaned, not given, to Bush

    It hasn’t gone back to the UK. It is in the British Embassy in DC, on hold, in case an American President wants to have it back. It was not loaned to George Bush, it was loaned to the United States. Romney has it exactly right. Getting it back to the White House would be a huge symbol-we are back to being nice to our closest allies instead of shitting on them.

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  2. Ignore it. This is mostly the liberals in the media doing what they do, and trying to get their “own” elected, i.e Obama. They’re scum, but sadly a lot of Brits are easily manipulated by them (we have no Fox News etc to balance the left’s propaganda).

    The BBC the other day tried to claim Romney was a racist. Even the conservative printed press have a reality-disconnect when it comes to America. Britain’s a dead country.

    Romney is right to have distaste for Britain in its current state. That’s not the kind of racism that Obama demonstrates when it comes to Brits. (Low and behold the story of his grand-whatever being tortured by the Brits turned out to be one of the 1000s of lies he threw into his books … how is the fact that his autobiographies are mostly fiction not a national scandal in America?), as his is for Britain itself, not it’s current configuration.

    Thanks for the Althouse link, it does paint Romney as smarter than he lets on, when it comes to business and economics.

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  3. Yeah, I loved that piece by Althouse. Romney’s point is actually quite thoughtful, discussing how Britain became one of the most dominant superpowers in history.

    I’m very sympathetic to the resource scarcity theory; that having few natural resources forces you to trade and innovate.

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  4. Romney is right to have distaste for Britain in its current state. That’s not the kind of racism that Obama demonstrates when it comes to Brits. (Low and behold the story of his grand-whatever being tortured by the Brits turned out to be one of the 1000s of lies he threw into his books … how is the fact that his autobiographies are mostly fiction not a national scandal in America?), as his is for Britain itself, not it’s current configuration.

    If this isn’t funny, then I don’t know what is. First of all you do realize that you are suggesting that Romney actually has a distaste for Britain? I’m pretty fucking sure he has no such thing.

    As for Obama’s Brit-racism…. HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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  5. Kimpost you don’t seem to be able to grasp concepts. Obama snubbing our Prime Minister is different to Romney highlighting genuine concerns that every bloody UK media outlet as also voiced.

    You don’t seem to be able to distinguish having between visceral hatred for a country across time and space (Obama) and someone pointing out Britain doesn’t produce anything and this does not bode well (if that’s what Romney actually said, perhaps “distaste” is the wrong word, i’m finding it difficult to find what was objectionable, so I’m having to guess a little). If Romney is criticizing the UK for not producing any goods, then that’s a good criticism and one many others make.

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  6. Kimpost you don’t seem to be able to grasp concepts.

    Since I presume that you don’t actually believe that I’m generally unable of “grasping concepts”, your statement makes no sense.

    […] having visceral hatred for a country across time and space (Obama)

    Being silly, are we?

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  7. Funny, who the hell have I been talking to in my supplier meetings?

    Our biggest exports, I believe, are food and drink, and weapons… *raises an eyebrow at SO*

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  8. Apparently, no one know what the real story is on the bust:

    {If you place any stock in CNN they seem to have an answer}

    But late Friday, British Embassy Spokesman James Barbour said there were actually two busts of Churchill, both by artist Sir Jacob Epstein…

    A second bust, which is part of the White House’s own art collection, is displayed in the White House. It is that bust which Obama is pictured looking at with Cameron in 2010.

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  9. Ignore it. This is mostly the liberals in the media doing what they do, and trying to get their “own” elected, i.e Obama. They’re scum, but sadly a lot of Brits are easily manipulated by them (we have no Fox News etc to balance the left’s propaganda).

    That must be why Romney was publicly chastised by two of the most senior British Conservatives.

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  10. That must be why Romney was publicly chastised by two of the most senior British Conservatives.

    Well, at least this Obama stooge (consistent with your links written by other Obama stooges) did not accuse Romney of “visceral xenophobia, end-times theology and Cold War nostalgia”.

    To think that seemingly rational people making something out of this tempest in a teapot, very funny stuff.

    Of course he is going to be chastised by the Brits, he is not a Brit and only the Brits can criticize other Brits, isn’t this obvious to you?

    Do you have brothers or sisters? Ever hear ,”Yeah, my brother is a dead beat, but only I get to call him a deadbeat”. Or the stories about cops responding to domestic disturbances and one or both turn on him? Blood is thicker then water and only blood can criticize you, not an outsider. Romney should have been astute enough to recognize this, but the ballyhooing is just stupid, quit it.

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  11. Well, at least this Obama stooge (consistent with your links written by other Obama stooges) did not accuse Romney of “visceral xenophobia, end-times theology and Cold War nostalgia”.

    Yes, there is that.
    Anyone would think criticism of Romney automatically makes someone a Obama stooge. I guess that means lots of you guys were Bush stooges then?
    Or perhaps that’s just silly.

    To think that seemingly rational people making something out of this tempest in a teapot, very funny stuff.

    You mean Cameron and Johnson?
    I don’t think it was a big deal at all. But then I don’t think some of the Obama stuff that some people here write long diatribes about is a big deal either.

    Of course he is going to be chastised by the Brits, he is not a Brit and only the Brits can criticize other Brits, isn’t this obvious to you?

    You seem to have missed the fact that I was responding specifically to Poosh claiming that only scummy media liberals cared. That’s obviously not correct.

    Do you have brothers or sisters? Ever hear ,”Yeah, my brother is a dead beat, but only I get to call him a deadbeat”. Or the stories about cops responding to domestic disturbances and one or both turn on him? Blood is thicker then water and only blood can criticize you, not an outsider. Romney should have been astute enough to recognize this, but the ballyhooing is just stupid, quit it.

    You seem to have me confused with someone else. I’ve done no ballyhooing. That was my first comment on it in the thread. I did goad Poosh about it on another thread, but not in a serious way. I’ve already said in another thread that I didn’t think it was a big deal.

    Hang on, didn’t you climb into the whole “Obama hates the Brits” thing and rely on a British reporter for evidence that the Brits were angry? I don’t recall you making this argument back then.

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  12. Anyone would think criticism of Romney automatically makes someone a Obama stooge

    Don’t be ridiculous. Many here, including myself have criticized Romney (and Bush) at one time or another, does that make us “Obama stooges”? You would be better served avoiding words (and implication surrounding) like “anyone” and “automatically”, too broad brush.

    You mean Cameron and Johnson?

    No, I mean the people on the sidelines witnessing this non event and heaping massive tablespoons of implications. This was a mild case of insensitivity, yet some (like this buffoon Bashir) are calling this the diss of the decade, how stupid, “He came, he saw, he imploded”, and ,”just Mitt — pure and simple. And it was calamitous”. Well, hell, Mitt should just get out of the race immediately.

    Hang on, didn’t you climb into the whole “Obama hates the Brits” thing and rely on a British reporter for evidence that the Brits were angry? I don’t recall you making this argument back then.

    “Obama hates America”, gee, that sounds alot like ,”And it was calamitous”, massive knee jerk. My argument back then was simple, when a Brit brings up several examples of actions by Obama that he thinks disses Brits, and him being a Brit himself, he should know, than attention must be paid, to the totality of all the examples presented. But here, Romney parroting the widely held view ,held by Brits that the security company dropped the ball and left the government in a lurch, rubbed some Brits the wrong way and hence my brother analogy that only blood can criticize, with something this important only a Brit gets a pass on the obvious, not an outsider. The arguments are consistent.

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  13. Don’t be ridiculous. Many here, including myself have criticized Romney (and Bush) at one time or another, does that make us “Obama stooges”?

    Of course it doesn’t. That’s my point.

    You would be better served avoiding words (and implication surrounding) like “anyone” and “automatically”, too broad brush.

    Those words were perfectly fine in the context (which was the reaction of any person).

    No, I mean the people on the sidelines witnessing this non event and heaping massive tablespoons of implications.

    Why are you having a go at me then – I specifically pointed out that Romney was publicly chastised by two of the most senior British Conservatives. Poosh was implying something quite different.

    This was a mild case of insensitivity, yet some (like this buffoon Bashir) are calling this the diss of the decade, how stupid, “He came, he saw, he imploded”, and ,”just Mitt — pure and simple. And it was calamitous”. Well, hell, Mitt should just get out of the race immediately.

    The diss of the decade? I’m not sure he was suggesting that. And most of the piece wasn’t about his foreign gaffs at all. It’s about what he can’t talk about.

    “Obama hates America”, gee, that sounds alot like ,”And it was calamitous”, massive knee jerk.

    Again, you seem to have me confused with someone else. That bears no resemablance to my reaction.

    My argument back then was simple, when a Brit brings up several examples of actions by Obama that he thinks disses Brits, and him being a Brit himself, he should know, than attention must be paid, to the totality of all the examples presented. But here, Romney parroting the widely held view ,held by Brits that the security company dropped the ball and left the government in a lurch, rubbed some Brits the wrong way and hence my brother analogy that only blood can criticize, with something this important only a Brit gets a pass on the obvious, not an outsider. The arguments are consistent.

    So should we consider the totality of the gaffes Romney made on his trip? Or should he get a pass because individually none of them were earth-shattering (like the bust thing, or Obama giving the Queen an ipod, which she requested according to Fox News)?

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  14. Of course it doesn’t. That’s my point.

    If your point was that “anyone” who criticizes Romeny/Obama (take your pick) automatically makes him a Romney/Obama (take your pick) stooge, then if I were you, I would find another point, pronto.

    Martin Bashir and most of his other MSNBC rejects are Obama stooges, they were so long before he penned this opinion piece.

    Why are you having a go at me then

    I was not having a go at you, or at least that was not my intention, it was aimed at those like Bashir who couldn’t tell the difference between a mountain and a mole hill if his life depended on it.

    That bears no resemablance to my reaction

    I was referring to your link, that compendium of superfluous flummery that Bashir is known for.

    So should we consider the totality of the gaffes Romney made on his trip? Or should he get a pass because individually none of them were earth-shattering (like the bust thing, or Obama giving the Queen an ipod, which she requested according to Fox News)?

    Ah, so you are a member of the Bashir camp, and there you were feigning innocence, you are slippery :)

    I will remind you again, the indignance of a foreign body (supposedly our strongest ally) can only be voiced and measured by that foreign body which is why I wrote that post last year on what Niles Gardner felt (as a Brit) concerning Obama’s disrespect the GBR. Now you as someone on the outside looking in can say ,”tisk, tisk, don’t get your knickers all bunched up, these were minor slights and you are over reacting”, but it is their reaction, not yours.

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  15. If your point was that “anyone” who criticizes Romeny/Obama (take your pick) automatically makes him a Romney/Obama (take your pick) stooge, then if I were you, I would find another point, pronto.

    No I ridiculing that stance.

    Martin Bashir and most of his other MSNBC rejects are Obama stooges, they were so long before he penned this opinion piece.

    That doesn’t mean criticisms they make are automatically invalid. Criticising Romney doesn’t make anyone an Obama stooge.
    And again, that Romney was publicly chastised by two of the most senior British Conservatives is irrelevant to who reports it.

    I was not having a go at you, or at least that was not my intention,

    Well you’re certainly sending a fair amount heat in my direction on this issue. I’m assuming it’s a carry-on of your anger at my quoting of Sullivan suggesting that certain section of the GOP base exhibits “visceral xenophobia, end-times theology and Cold War nostalgia”.

    Ah, so you are a member of the Bashir camp, and there you were feigning innocence, you are slippery :)

    Huh? How do you reach that conclusion??! I said none of them were earth-shattering? I’m not spending even 10% of the time going on about them, unlike many other posters here do with Obama’s foreign ‘gaffes’. You’ve raised no issue at all with Poosh’s ridiculous “having visceral hatred for a country across time and space (Obama)”.

    I will remind you again, the indignance of a foreign body (supposedly our strongest ally) can only be voiced and measured by that foreign body which is why I wrote that post last year on what Niles Gardner felt (as a Brit) concerning Obama’s disrespect the GBR. Now you as someone on the outside looking in can say ,”tisk, tisk, don’t get your knickers all bunched up, these were minor slights and you are over reacting”, but it is their reaction, not yours.

    Well, I think we do need to take into account the political context surrounding the epxression of the insult. Stauch hard-right British conservatives (Poosh, Niles Gardner) obviously have a prediclition for complaining as much as possible about anything Obama does in terms of the UK, without letting facts get in the way. (This obviously works both ways, and doesn’t mean there aren’t relevant points being made within the complaint) Which is why I specifically (and only) mentioned the fact that in this case Romney went way further than annoying people who have a political reason to appear pissed off, to the point where he was publicly chastised by two of the most senior British Conservatives.
    BTW as I understand it Cameron and Obama get on very well and Cameron doesn’t share Poosh and Gardner’s narrative.

    Romney is also obviously running for election and his ability or inability to handle himself on the world stage is obviously something that Americans can judge for themselves. As an outsider (not being insulted, not a US voter) my opinion is utterly irrelevant.

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  16. No, I mean the people on the sidelines witnessing this non event and heaping massive tablespoons of implications.

    This is hilarious in the context of the huge long thread about Obama’s ‘you didn’t build that’ quote.

    Having said that – I was visiting some UK buddies who work for a couple of news organisations this weekend, and (although I wasn’t actually in London) it was the first thing that they mentioned. “Can you beleive this joker, comes over here and insults the Olympics and doesn’t even bother to learn the name of the head of the opposition…”

    Look, I agree with you, taken objectively, he hasn’t gaffed his way into World War 3 or anything. But the judgement and especially the timing was awful. The UK had spent a week hand-wringing about G4S, and the national mood had moved on from “we’re rubbish” to “f*ck yeah, it’s going to be awesome!”

    Cameron played this way better than Milliband by just having a little dig back. This damages Milliband way more than Romney.

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  17. That doesn’t mean criticisms they make are automatically invalid. Criticising Romney doesn’t make anyone an Obama stooge.

    I addressed that in an earlier comment.

    And again, that Romney was publicly chastised by two of the most senior British Conservatives is irrelevant to who reports it.

    Except that Bashir reported it while being clueless of the implications and said as much with nonsense like ,” it was just Mitt — pure and simple. And it was calamitous”, some reporting.

    Well you’re certainly sending a fair amount heat in my direction on this issue. I’m assuming it’s a carry-on of your anger at my quoting of Sullivan suggesting that certain section of the GOP base exhibits “visceral xenophobia, end-times theology and Cold War nostalgia”.

    Might have been misplaced, I’ll admit that, but between Sullivan and Bashir (Maddow hasn’t penned her hit piece yet?) and their idiocy, I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch.

    I said none of them were earth-shattering?

    What other gaffes are you referring to?

    BTW as I understand it Cameron and Obama get on very well and Cameron doesn’t share Poosh and Gardner’s narrative.

    Non sequitor? We really don’t know how Cameron feels, do we?

    As an outsider (not being insulted, not a US voter) my opinion is utterly irrelevant.

    Your opinion is as relevant as anyone else’s here, and referring to the topic at hand, we are both outsiders and would earn an equal dustup with the Brits for the same offense.

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  18. I don’t know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch.

    I love that, never heard it before.

    What other gaffes are you referring to?

    Other mis-steps (which might be a more accurate way to describe them – after all this was a trip with the sole purpose of burnishing his foreign policy credentials):
    * the Israel/Palestine comparison (I realise he was doing this to raise money, but it certainly has negative consequences in terms of starting off on the right foot in being seen as an honest broker on the issue. If Romney was there to rally Israeli and Jewish support in the US election, he could have done so without insulting the Palestinian people)
    * endorsing Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state (as above, unnecessarily provocative)
    * incorrectly addressing Milliband (he appeared to have forgotten his hame)
    * his spokesman telling journalists to “kiss my ass” and to “shove it”
    * his camp was forced to repudiate comments by an un-named adviser who told the Daily Telegraph that Barack Obama, the first black US president, had mishandled Anglo-American ties and that Romney better understood the “Anglo-Saxon heritage” between the two countries.
    * acknowledging that he had met the head of MI6 when such conversations are not normally discussed publicly by government leaders.

    Negatives in all three countries. Nothing huge (and the last one was obviously just ignorance), but over such a short trip how hard is it to avoid doing harm?

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  19. I would throw out all that stuff done by underlings, irrelevant.

    Negatives in all three countries

    I guess it depends on what sources you are reading. The few things that I have read concerning his visits to Israel and Poland, he was a big hit in both. The general consensus among Londoners was Piss Off, understandable.

    How much harm it did him, I don’t think very much. This fish bowl they all live in, it’s hard to pass gas and not have it make the wires. Romney is an international neophyte, no question, and if this stuff continues, he will have problems, can he learn from his mistakes? Not a given.

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  20. How much harm it did him, I don’t think very much.

    True. I don’t think those who will vote for him will be put off at all by those examples. If fact many may be more willing to vote for him.
    It is interesting for the rest of world to get a potential taste of what might be to come though. He’s started setting out his stall.

    Romney is an international neophyte, no question, and if this stuff continues, he will have problems, can he learn from his mistakes? Not a given.

    It will be a steep learning curve for him, but then I guess that’s true for most Presidents when it comes to foreign affairs.

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  21. BTW as I understand it Cameron and Obama get on very well and Cameron doesn’t share Poosh and Gardner’s narrative.

    I assume CM said that, note the word “narrative” lol. Us and our narrative eh? Newflash, many of us here on the right do not consider Cameron a real conservative. He’s a centrist who we increasingly cannot abide by. But what is Cameron, as a politician meant to do? Both he and Obama are currently engaging in “you scratch my back, i’ll scratch yours” at the moment: it’s not going well for Cameron, he is getting a great deal of hate and back lash for starting almost non-existent cuts, go figure). None-the-less you have to understand the media climate in the UK, it’s VERY hard to get any accurate information about the US, we have no counterweight to the liberal media, unlike you guys. Blogs are really the only way to get to the truth of things (why I visit this blog). Sky News, for example, the centrist/centre right (seeing as it’s part owned by Murdoch I guess) claimed the Occupy Movement were a serious political movement, IN CONTRAST to the Tea Party. You can imagine this has a bad affect on many conservatives who have limited means of interpreting reality as it is, rather than, how the libs/leftists present it. This can even affect our fellow Tories. Of course Cameron knows, however, that Obama hates Britain. I find it impossible that his asides have not made him aware. But politics, for these two, is politics and recently they engaged in some lovey-dovey, Obama looked like he liked Britain and Cameron got to be photoed next to Obama. Win win.

    What is Cameron meant to do, mind you, say Obama’s a douche in public? Knowing full well the british media have manipulated many Brits into loving Obama (how could we not? we’re never told of anything bad he has done).

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  22. I assume CM said that,

    Pity there’s no way of checking.

    note the word “narrative” lol. Us and our narrative eh?

    Indeed.

    None-the-less you have to understand the media climate in the UK, it’s VERY hard to get any accurate information about the US, we have no counterweight to the liberal media, unlike you guys

    Nonsense, you’ve got any of the Murdoch papers. The Daily Mail. The Daily Telegraph. I was easily able to get accurate information (verifiable by going online and checking other sources) about the US while living in London.

    Of course Cameron knows, however, that Obama hates Britain.

    Just listen to yourself man. Do you work for the Daily Mail?

    Anyway, the point is that your comedic attempt to sell of a load of old tosh was once again transparently ridiculous.

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