Freeh Report Open Thread

I’m too close to this to comment objectively. But feel free to make your opinions known on today’s Freeh Report on the Penn State scandal. I’ll pop in for a comment or two.

Update: OK, I’ll kick this off. One of the things being discussed is whether the NCAA should give Penn State’s football program the death penalty. I won’t pretend I’m objective about it, but I will point out the following:

People hurt by canceling the football program: all the scholarship football players, athletes in other programs whose scholarships depend on football bringing in money, local businesses that depend on football to stay in the black and thousands of their employees, State College’s economy in general which depends heavily on the University, tens of thousands of students and hundreds of thousands of alumni who are fans.

People who will not be hurt by canceling the football program: Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky, Curley, Schulz and Spanier.

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  1. blameme

    I don’t think that the football program should be targeted necessarily, but there should be an investigation as to why the football program became so powerful that the BOT was not notified of investigations or any of these incidents.

    There is an issue here where the athletic program ran the school. That is a big no-no. Not from an NCAA rules perspective, but from an accreditation perspective.

    The BOT (Board of Trustees) and other people in executive positions need to be punished. The school, from a management perspective, including accreditation mentioned above should be put on probation.

    Basically, many schools that have had rogue athletic programs do not get into trouble with the NCAA – but they do get into trouble academically due to the proper control not being in place. This is truly an example of that. It has little to do with the “football team” and much more to do with who has ultimate power to do the right thing on the campus for the educational institution as well as reporting structures and seats of power.

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  2. Hal_10000 *

    I don’t think that the football program should be targeted necessarily, but there should be an investigation as to why the football program became so powerful that the BOT was not notified of investigations or any of these incidents.

    I agree with this and the Freeh report is brutal on this subject. One of the things PSU did right was bring in an entirely new coaching staff, not go with one of Joe’s guys. And the BoT is going to put a LOT more supervision on the program. This had been an issue going back over a decade.

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  3. hist_ed

    Every single person in leadership in the football program should be fired whether they were there during the incident or were hired later . It should be a clean sweep. I’d also take an ax to the head of the university and the board. There is a sick culture that needs to be swept away.

    Also, the witness that said he saw Sandusky raping a kid in the shower and then went how to ask his Dad what to do (and then did nothing) should be shamed and ridiculed for his entire life.

    There is an issue here where the athletic program ran the school.

    Don’t you think this is true to one degree or another at a lot of big schools? I think this really points out how disfunctional college sports really are. Baseball’s farm team system is what the NFL and NBA need to emulate. Who gives a shit whether or not as star quarterback has a BA in whatever the fuck? I’d rather that slot went to someone there to study (yes yes, I know we send too many kids to college-different argument). Big sports programs have too much influence at most schools.

    Big state universoties’ prioroties seem to be:
    #1 Professors’ research
    #2 Sports
    #3 fund raising
    #4 Graduate education
    #5 Undergraduate education.

    This list needs to be reversed. Schools’ primary job should be educating students. All the rest should be secondary.

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  4. blameme

    I pretty much agree with all of that.

    Student athletes (especially for D1 football) is a joke and everyone knows it.

    I pretty much consider major college football an unfunded NFL minor league. In my world, the NFL would take over college ball and use it as a farm system.

    The whole thing truly is a big scam.

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  5. richtaylor365

    Hal, I’ve been at ClubMed for the last week or so and I haven’t read the whole report, but didn’t we already know just about everything in this report going in? Maybe the degree at which duplicity was the order of the day, but we already knew who the bad guys were and what they did. This report, although detailed was hamstrung from the get go, the investigators had no subpoena power, none was required to give statements under oath,and Freeh was told that he could not speak to or gain testimony from the one guy that witnessed an actual,molestation with his own eyes. If anything, this report cries out for an official FBI or DOJ investigation, one with teeth.

    Regarding the death penailty issue, I am leaning for the death penality, and I am not prone to knee jerking. I may change my mind,mdepending on how everything fleshes out, but right now I say, “the wine is sour, throw it out”. Making them ineligible for bowl games is not severe enough. You say the school should not have to suffer financially, that is going to happen anyway. Without bowl money, and factoring in the millions the school will have to pay in damages, all students will suffer. Something severe is necessary and right now I can’t see anything else that would send the proper message.

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  6. gitarcarver

    I read the report from beginning to end.

    If this is the best that a former head of the FBI can put forth, we need to shut down the FBI.

    There are tremendous gaps, conclusions without supporting evidence and condemnations made with the benefit of hindsight.

    I know I am swimming against the tide here, and I accept that.

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  7. richtaylor365

    I was at http://www.therarotongan.com/

    Very nice. How far is the Cook Islands from Tahiti? We use to be regulars at the Tahiti ClubMed, both Bora Bora and Morea, both closed a few years back, hurricanes I think. But the wife wants to go to Australia next year. I told her that with the Euro plunging, once it hits parity with the dollar we gotta go back to Europe, I think she is going to win this argument.

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  8. hist_ed

    OMFG Troy, I see where you’re going with this: Mann rapes people’s liberty with science! Well done!

    Wow, raped by a hockey stick. That sounds particularly painful

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  9. CM

    Very nice. How far is the Cook Islands from Tahiti?

    Just over 1000km. And Rarotonga is about 4 hours flight time from here.

    We use to be regulars at the Tahiti ClubMed, both Bora Bora and Morea, both closed a few years back, hurricanes I think. But the wife wants to go to Australia next year. I told her that with the Euro plunging, once it hits parity with the dollar we gotta go back to Europe, I think she is going to win this argument.

    My mother and her husband helped sail a boat from San Fran back to NZ via Tahiti a couple of years ago but I haven’t been there. Definitely on the list.
    Plenty of nice beaches in EuroLand anyway.

    Wow, raped by a hockey stick. That sounds particularly painful

    Not so much. Mann tells you it’s a hockey-stick but it’s really just a dildo.

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