Fast and Furious Executive

Uh-oh:

In a mounting confrontation with congressional Republicans, President Barack Obama invoked executive privilege Wednesday to withhold documents a House committee is seeking. The panel neared a vote on citing Attorney General Eric Holder for contempt.

Comments rapidly grew more heated. A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner suggested administration officials had lied earlier or were now “bending the law,” while Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings said the committee’s GOP chairman “had no interest” in resolving the issue and was trying to pick a fight.

In a letter to the committee chairman, Darrell Issa of California, a Justice Department official said the executive privilege applies to documents that explain how the department learned there were problems with an investigation in Arizona of gun-running into Mexico, called Operation Fast and Furious.

The citing of contempt for Holder should have been done already. As has been pointed out, Holder already lied to Congress about the Administration’s medical marijuana policies. Unfortunately for him, Congress isn’t like the New York Times or the Center for the American Regress: they are actually aware of the facts and will call the Administration out when they lie.

But the Executive Privilege thing is a real tell. Executive privilege has been most heavily invoked by the Nixon and Clinton Administrations (and, to a lesser degree, by Bush II) to cover up bona fide scandals or, at least, bona fide embarrassments.

The purpose here is delay. Obama is hoping to kick this past the election. But really, I don’t think this is going to matter. Conservatives are going to vote against Obama anyway. And liberals would support him even if Fast and Furious involved Holder personally shooting puppies. Some middle-of-the-road voters might be persuaded. But we’d really need a media that was doing its job and cared about people getting killed because guns were allowed to be smuggled into Mexico.

I’m not holding my breath.

Update: In case you want to know what I consider Media Matter to be a useless Left Wing lie factory, Eric Boehlert is claiming that Ronald Reagan invoked executive privilege 20 times. In fact, the tally is 24 times over all Administrations since Reagan. The tally is Reagan 3, Bush 1, Clinton 14, Bush II 6 and Obama 1. There are plenty of places where you can read about the times executive privilege has been invoked. It has almost always been to cover up embarrassing, rather than classified, info.

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  1. georgebalella

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  2. Hal_10000 *

    And once again: using Bush as your standard is setting the bar very low. It’s like saying you’re more sober than Keith Richards.

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  3. Section8

    DEAL WITH IT!!!!

    I guess we were just expecting better since the left kept touting this guy as the “most transparent president ever”. I guess we’ll just deal with it though since you guys keep retorting with the “they do it too”. Congrants Obama is at best no better than any other president, let alone the new God King you guys made him out to be. Keep going it’s fun to watch the implosion… :)

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  4. Xetrov

    He allows executive privelidge over documents that neither of them have supposedly ever seen?

    There is a subsection of the Obama Whitehouse’s website called “Transparency and Open Government”

    Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies
    SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government

    My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.

    …..

    Barack Obama

    I think Obama just made a mistake. This is way too easy to attack him on, and it’s already a big story in the news that just got bigger. My first thought is what exactly are they trying to hide? Unless they are hiding documents that directly link Obama to knowledge of Fast and Furious, Holder is toast. I expect his resignation before the election.

    Meanwhile, Obama’s top election attorney just filed a complaint with the FEC to have the donor list of Crossroads GPS, a GOP advocacy group released. I wonder if they filed the same complaint against Priorities USA, the pro-Obama advocacy group that does the exact same thing.

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  5. TxAg94

    From THEIR OWN FUCKING WEB SITE:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment/

    Transparency and Open Government
    Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies
    SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government

    My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.

    Guess not.

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  6. georgebalella

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  7. Section8

    hahahahhahah hahahhahahah hahahhah. Hilarious, George. When all else fails make it a race issue and keep pounding it baby! God, nothing would make me more happy to see the left fall back on this which they will because they can’t help themselves and that’s all they know. It’s going to be their primary argument, but it doesn’t work anymore. You’ll see. Hell, they’ll probably even try to get the ballot changed.

    Choose One

    X Racist
    X Not Racist

    Just too fricken funny.

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  8. JimK

    George, do you give one little fuck about the Mexican citizens killed because of Holder’s actions? Or are you only racist against Mexicans but not black people?

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  9. Dave D

    Yeah, George, the partisan investigations and attacks on the incumbent only started with slick Willie. Are you fucking 15 years old, or what? Remember the war that congress fought with Reagan over his executve actions (COntra,e tc….)? Remember Nixon? You’re an idiot…….

    Fact is that YOUR side is the bunch of immoral fucking hypocrites who use attacks on political opponents as SOP.

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  10. InsipiD

    This is an example of executive abuse of power and serious allegations that should be answered for all the way to the top. Holder is inept and chooses his fights in an obviously political way. Obama knows more about this than anyone will admit. With all that obviously in evidence, somehow muirgeo up there thinks that blaming racism will explain it all and that somehow over-investigating has forced them to a life of crime. That’s sad.

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  11. CM

    But the Executive Privilege thing is a real tell. Executive privilege has been most heavily invoked by the Nixon and Clinton Administrations (and, to a lesser degree, by Bush II) to cover up bona fide scandals or, at least, bona fide embarrassments.

    The purpose here is delay. Obama is hoping to kick this past the election. But really, I don’t think this is going to matter. Conservatives are going to vote against Obama anyway. And liberals would support him even if Fast and Furious involved Holder personally shooting puppies. Some middle-of-the-road voters might be persuaded. But we’d really need a media that was doing its job and cared about people getting killed because guns were allowed to be smuggled into Mexico.

    Isn’t the Privilege being limited specifically to documents dealing with the administration’s response to the operation AFTER it became public? Isn’t it just internal deliberations within the Obama administration, about how to deal with the fallout.? T
    If this is a scandal, presumably there will be sufficient damning documention during the operation, before it was terminated.
    Couldn’t agree more with your second paragraph.

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  12. Miguelito

    Boy, ol’ Georgie there pulls out all the talking points..

    We’re all RAAAASICT!

    All southerners (especially repubs) are racist. Ignoring the fact that things like Jim Crow laws and such were democrat ones.

    Fast and Furious is a GOP trick… somehow the GOP made it happen.

    Republicans are nothing but obstructionists… despite a completely dem controlled gov’t for 2 years failing to do things like pass a budget, and with Reid blocking nearly everything in the senate while the house actually passes things.

    Obama is just awesome but is being continually shit upon by haterz.

    Keep those talking points coming.

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  13. Miguelito

    Meanwhile, Obama’s top election attorney just filed a complaint with the FEC to have the donor list of Crossroads GPS, a GOP advocacy group released.

    Wow.. I would expect better editing then this from reuters:

    Republican non-profit and “Super PAC” groups have been far outpaced their Democratic rivals in fundraising and spending,

    Have been far outpaced their dem rivals? Me fail english? That’s unpossible.

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  14. Kimpost

    Clear delay tactics. “Deal with it in a year or two, just not now.”

    Conservatives are going to vote against Obama anyway. And liberals would support him even if Fast and Furious involved Holder personally shooting puppies.

    Spot on! Obama’s either the devil or the christ, or the other side’s candidate is. Conservatives need to stop the socialist in chief from destroying America as they know it, and liberals need to stop the vulture capitalist candidate from fucking grandma in the ass. Both candidates are absolutely evil, according to the opposition.

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  15. Hal_10000 *

    George, do you give one little fuck about the Mexican citizens killed because of Holder’s actions? Or are you only racist against Mexicans but not black people?

    This is something that seems to get lost in the LW desire to declare this to be partisan bullshit. People died because of this. A border agent died because of this. Does this not concern anyone?

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  16. HARLEY

    People died because of this. A border agent died because of this. Does this not concern anyone?

    You would think so. One year ago those of us whom were bring up the accusations, were branded gun nutz, and the like. and now, the administration, is running hard to cover its ass.
    Whom ever dreamed up this nightmare, should meet his end, in a noose…
    The most incrimination part, IMNSHO, is that fact that there NEVER was anyone assigned to track these weapons. A green wet behind the ears first day grad of the FBI academy even knows better than this.

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  17. Hal_10000 *

    Boy, Rachel Maddow deserved on a Olympic medal for the twisting and turning she did on this issue. Apparently, being concerned about the federal government losing track of guns and then covering up their discussions about it means you’re a crazy conspiracy theorist!

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  20. Biggie G

    If it’s not a conspiracy to take away gun rights, then it’s just mind numbing incompetence. Either way, Maddow’s “nothing to see here” act is getting tired.

    BTW, next time you don’t have to type so much. You can cut and past this: No, it doesn’t bother me because I can’t use these deaths against Republicans.

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  21. Poosh

    Rachel Maddows lmao. You muppet.

    But indeed it doesn’t MEAN there is a conspiracy, but every day it’s becoming impossible to deny something dodgy is going on, looking at the White House’s behavior.

    If it was up to us progressives the drugs would be made legal

    Why did Obama up the Drug War then ? More than Bush without a doubt.

    I think helping to FUEL gang warfare in a foreign country (even with the BEST intentions) is pretty big fucking news, and a pretty big fuck up.

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  22. InsipiD

    If it was up to us progressives the drugs would be made legal

    Yeah, because that’s brilliant and would fix everything. Legalize drugs and ban tobacco, guns, and Coke. You’re so smart. There couldn’t be any problems left if you did that! All that weed would cure everyone’s cancer, nobody could ever get shot, and obesity would just go away. The most important things wrong are all fixed by “progressives” who somehow think that “progress” consists of confiscatory taxes, thwarting private medical or energy research, socializing everything, and banning the car.

    There is NOTHING convoluted about Rachel Maddows report… the right wing is what is convoluted and Fox”News” watchers are like trained dogs just salivating over the stories.

    I guess that I’m too much of a dumb hick to realize that Rachel Maddow is a journalist and Fox News is solely an opinion channel. I’m so fucking stupid. I can’t tell when somebody smarter than I am is showing me Truth and making such brilliant decisions as authorizing Fast and Furious for my own good! For-profit prison operators are much worse than Fast and Furious. I can’t believe I missed that! What I need is for people smarter than I am to take all my money, spend most of it on things for other people, and show me how much of what’s left I should spend on everything else.

    One more thing: if you’re going to call other people stupid, learn to use apostrophes and spell things correctly (hint: double-check those words with the red zig-zag underline). If you’re actually a medical doctor as you’ve claimed, you’ve probably killed patients because you didn’t double-check things or wash your hands.

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  23. Dave D

    THOROUGHLY enjoying the dismantling of Murgoo’s programmed responses, but it will get old. How long until he should be banned? His tiresome, lazy rhetoric gets old really fast after the initial surge of escitement resulting from the stupidity that he displays each time he crawls back here.

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  26. blameme

    We don’t support big government republicans anymore than we do big government democrats. There is hardly any difference in the parties these days. How many times have you read about how happy we all were with W on economic policies?

    Any person who thinks their “party” is somehow the right one and has a monopoly on truth and integrity is too stupid to debate with.

    Dumbass.

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  27. Section8

    . Yeah these are the creationist anti-intellectuals we should listen to to plan our countries future.

    George is what passes as “intellectual” these days so I’m not so sure being “anti-intellectual” is really all that bad. Anyhow George, you might get a new handle yet again and start over.

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