Penn Goes Off

Sweet Jesus, yes:

That’s Penn, going off on Obama joking about drug use while he continues to prosecute the War on Drugs. It’s beautiful.

I think Penn hits a point that can not be emphasized enough: the role that class and wealth play in the War on Drugs. As P.J. O’Rourke pointed out in Parliament of Whores, rich connected people who do drugs need treatment and help (or, more often, a bong and a rolled up dollar bill). Middle class and especially poor people “part of the drug problem”.

At some point, this is going to be recognized for the debacle that it is. And when that happens, we can not let men like Barack Obama — or Bill Clinton or George W. Bush or anyone of a million hypocritical Drug Warriors — off the hook. The suffering they have inflicted on millions to assuage their guilt about drugs is incalculable.

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  1. Dave D

    Drugs is an issue that I am torn on. Freedom to ruin your own life and/or invest your time in the demon of choice is obviously something I would support. I am a religious person and don’t believe in tossing substances in my body and risk addiction, etc. OTHO, I am a fat slob and fight the food/overweight demon every day. I have witnessed my only brother wreck his life over drugs/alcohol and literally lose his ability to function in society, so this also biases my opinion. I do no, however, believe that the government has any jurisdiction in this area.

    The ONE THING that I wrestle with when I see things like Penns’ rant above (which I support), is that our society, being an ever-increasing nanny state that wants to take care of all our problems, be everything to us, and make the “rich” pay for it all, simply cannot affort the predictable increase in addiction and the resulting wreckage of personal lives brought on by widely available legal drugs. Rehab is expensive. Personal choices should NOT cost others. A difficult dichotomy…… I believe that the cost of increase in treatment and rehab for a resulting increase in addicts from total legalization is far greater than the cost of incarcerating drug users, but I’m not sure. Get governemnt out of the nanny game and I’d easily agree with Penn. Tough issue……

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  2. Seattle Outcast

    I was waiting to see if he’d realized how fucking predictable he’d become – he only has a couple of things to say, so all topics get twisted so he can start up on his stuck record. Hopefully, at some point he’ll give those two tunes a rest and actually start up on something else.

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  3. CM

    I was waiting to see if he’d realized how fucking predictable he’d become – he only has a couple of things to say, so all topics get twisted so he can start up on his stuck record. Hopefully, at some point he’ll give those two tunes a rest and actually start up on something else.

    Certainly no less predictable than you. There’s so much blatant and ridiculous misrepresentation going on here about what I post that I don’t believe anyone but probably Kimpost has any idea what I think on most subjects. It’s beyond parody how you bend yourself so out of shape to warp what I say to make yourself feel better. And I’ve only commented on things that have already been raised in each thread. Perhaps if you engaged properly with what I post and don’t just respond with personal abuse and leg-humping and pretending I’ve said something entirely different, we could have moved on. All I did was ask specific questions about your ideology. Apparently your ideology is so magnificent that articulating it in any reasonable way is beneath you.

    Anyway, I’m torn on the drugs issue too. I certainly agree that the hypocrisy is ridiculous. As usual (not really) I turn to Russell Brand for ideas….

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  4. TxAg94

    Sorry to incite what I was kind of making fun of. It’s actually fun, sometimes, to watch you two bash it out. I think it’s actually good to have what seem to be opposing views. Though at times it seems you’re arguing passionately to agree. I had a boss like that one time. We would be saying the same thing, really, but in different ways. But it always was contentious because unless I parroted his exact phrases he wasn’t satisfied. Often he wasn’t even hearing what I was saying so he assumed I was disagreeing. THAT was frustrating.

    I had simply read quite a few posts to catch up on what’s going on. I had come across several instances of Seattle Outcast leading with the “Here comes CM” cues. I couldn’t resist mocking it, to be honest. No personal insult intended either way.

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  5. CM

    I think it’s actually good to have what seem to be opposing views.

    You’d think so wouldn’t you (otherwise, what’s the point?). Apparently not though. But of course it’s not even just a case of having opposing views, often it’s just enquiring about the basis of the one view being expressed. Apparently that’s crossing some sort of line into moronic ridiculousness.

    Anyway, as time is infinite (according to Russell) onwards we march.

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  6. Miguelito

    I’m with Dave from above… I’m all for the individual freedom to choose to use drugs and ruin your life if you so desire (if you abuse the drugs)… but ONLY if people also suffer the consequences and we don’t step in and essentially socialize the costs. Otherwise it’s eating your cake and having it too.

    I might even be for a gov’t rehab system that was VERY strict that essentially was a 1 time deal. You get one chance to clean up, break any rules or re-use… you’re done, have fun living out your last days in the gutter. I’m sure that makes plenty of people cry the usual bits about being uncaring or heartless.. but it’s not. If you cause it to happen to you, it’s your own fault.

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  7. Mississippi Yankee

    Miguelito

    In theory I believe in everything you said. Sadly in the real world there will never be a “1 time deal”. A moral society can not function that way. Good, honest, caring people find it most difficult to turn their back on a fellow human being. And frankly some never can.

    My only practical solution is to agree with Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. His take on non-violent offenders seems to be working.

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  8. Argive

    My only practical solution is to agree with Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. His take on non-violent offenders seems to be working.

    How so? Since 1993, Maricopa County has spent $50 million in legal fees to deal with lawsuits brought against Arpaio’s office. That, at least, does not sound like he’s getting practical results to me.

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  9. Mississippi Yankee

    Argive

    Your retort to my comment seems to be comparing ‘apples to oranges’ Do we stop punishing criminals whenever there is criticism? Criticism I might add from a not so impartial source.

    How many guilty findings of all the lawsuit brought against Sheriff Joe Arpaio et al ?

    What is the rate of repeat offenders in Maricopa County?

    Vindictive lawsuits have been a staple of the left, like forever. One needs only look at the millions of dollars in fake cases the State of Alaska was forced to fight in the past 4 years. Yet NOT ONE guilty finding. It’s almost like the whole thing was a ruse.

    The question all comes down to:
    Would YOU run away from a fight just because a vocal bully tried to intimidate you?

    BTW to the powers that be:
    In the past 6 days I’ve found myself “logged off” when I’ve tried to post a comment. And as you have reassured me that this is not an admin peccadillo someone might look at the sites clock-works.
    juss-sayin

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  10. sahrab

    BTW to the powers that be:
    In the past 6 days I’ve found myself “logged off” when I’ve tried to post a comment

    I’ve had this happen a few times as i was forming a response (usually to one of CM’s or Rich’s idiotic posts).

    I’ve written it off as a word press error, but its really annoying to have gone through drafted a retort, with links and quotes, only to have it lost to a “you must ne logged into respond” message

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  11. JimK

    That could be a side effect of how browsers handle cookies. WordPress sets em but they expire eventually, or they don’t stick, and then you log back in but some of whatever didn’t go away is still there…honestly cookies and browsers seems more like magic than actual computer code.

    But. If you find your browser’s cookie storage area, search for “right-thinking” and delete every single cookie you find related to this site, THEN log back in, it will…hopefully…keep you logged in until the next time it goes haywire.

    I know. Not very technical or reassuring, but James Lileks recently said something that is a new universal truth: “‘Keep me logged in’ is the new “the check is in the mail.”

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  12. Argive

    How many guilty findings of all the lawsuit brought against Sheriff Joe Arpaio et al ?

    In civil lawsuits, the vast majority of the time, the parties will reach a settlement. Maricopa County settles and has settled with most of the people who bring suits against Arpaio. If all of these lawsuits were frivolous, you’d see a lot more cases being thrown out. Now, if by “guilty” you mean cases in which the judge ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, here’s an article detailing how a judge awarded $94,000 to one group of plaintiffs and how the county board of supervisors approved a $650,000 payout to another group. The article I cited in my previous post also mentions a $9 million jury verdict against MCSO. Arpaio’s office has been sued 6,300 times since 1993; compare that with a county of the same size and population in Texas (Harris County), where the sheriff’s office has been sued 283 times.

    What is the rate of repeat offenders in Maricopa County?

    A 1998 study showed no change in recidivism rates between Arpaio and his predecessor (page 42).

    Check out Right on Crime. I particularly like this bit, under the section “Reduce Costs:”

    Taxpayers know that public safety is the core function of government, and they are willing to pay what it takes to keep communities safe. In return for their tax dollars, citizens are entitled to a system that works. When governments spend money inefficiently and do not obtain crime reductions commensurate with the amount of money being spent, they do taxpayers a grave disservice. Conservatives know that it is possible to cut both crime rates and costly incarceration rates because over the past ten years, seven states have done it: Maryland, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Texas.

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  13. Miguelito

    I’ve written it off as a word press error, but its really annoying to have gone through drafted a retort, with links and quotes, only to have it lost to a “you must ne logged into respond” message

    That’s why you copy it to the clipboard before clicking on submit.. just in case. :P

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  14. Mississippi Yankee

    Arpaio’s office has been sued 6,300 times since 1993; compare that with a county of the same size and population in Texas (Harris County), where the sheriff’s office has been sued 283 times.

    No frivolity there = check

    A 1998 study showed no change in recidivism rates between Arpaio and his predecessor (page 42).

    Really… I mean fucking REALLY? Page forty goddamn two in a study done 14 years ago.

    My only hope is that you “warmed-up” before you made that reach.
    “Pink is the new black (w/white stripes)”

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  15. Argive

    Did you follow the link? It’s a google book. The study’s results are summarized on that page. Also, here’s an American Thinker articlefrom 2006 in which Arpaio says that the recidivism rate is about the national average, or 60-70 percent.

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  16. Mississippi Yankee

    Again, allow me to repeat:

    Arpaio’s office has been sued 6,300 times since 1993; compare that with a county of the same size and population in Texas (Harris County), where the sheriff’s office has been sued 283 times.

    Frivolous. lawsuits. are causing. the. financial. problems. in. Maricopa. County.
    Tort reform would lower that # greatly I’m willing to bet.

    Did you follow the link? It’s a google book.

    I’m not sure what the true distinction is between 14 year old ‘google book’ and 14 year old study. Apparently I’m not all that sophisticated.

    But the American Thinker article from 2006 that you suggested BTW did surprise me.

    Again let me quote the paragraph directly above your overall recidivism rate one.

    And, he has a kindness of sorts within in his toughness. This year’s Christmas dinner in tent city will cost taxpayers only 3 cents per meal. Compare that to the usual cost of 35 cents per meal and you’ll agree there’s a little ho-ho-ho in this jolly old man.

    And the very next paragraph after your “overall recidivism rate one.

    Arpaio calls drugs the greatest driver of crime in the nation. With that, he has instituted a program called ALPHA. The drug program for inmates results in a recidivism rate among graduates in the area of only 13-15%. Arpaio also runs a high school/GED program and an English speaking program. “The inmates need to speak English; my guards don’t need to speak Spanish. We’re in America.”

    I suppose I didn’t “need” to quote the second part of the 2nd paragraph but because it kinda raised the bro-mance I’ve got for the guy…
    An honest person would understand

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