Ravi Resolved

The Dharun Ravi – Tyler Clementi case was decided. I’ve written about this case before. Today, sentence was handed down.

The 20-year-old former Rutgers University student convicted of a bias crime against his roommate who soon after committed suicide was sentenced to 30 days in jail by a New Jersey judge on Monday.

Dharun Ravi had been found guilty of charges including bias intimidation, invasion of privacy, hindering apprehension and tampering with evidence after the death of Tyler Clementi just three weeks into their first semester of college. The 18-year-old freshman jumped off of New York City‘s George Washington Bridge after realizing Ravi had set up a video camera to record a sexual encounter between himself and another man, who was never identified during the trial.

In addition to his sentence, Ravi will be on probation for thee years, must serve 300 hours of community service and attend a cyberbullying counseling program, and has to pay a $10,000 recessment to the New Jersey probation department, which will go toward programs that help people who are victims of bias crimes.

Ravi also faced deportation to his native India, from which he immigrated with his parents when he was four, but Berman recommended against it.

Both prosecutors and the defense have said they would appeal and Berman granted a stay of the sentence for 10 days upon the prosecution’s request.

As you can imagine, the ignorami who only know about the case based on what they’ve heard are screaming blue murder. But I think this was the right decision. Ravi is not responsible for Clementi’s death. Punish him for the crimes he committed, but don’t ruin his life.

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  1. InsipiD

    Punish him for the crimes he committed, but don’t ruin his life.

    Too late. The fact that we know his name has ruined his life. He’ll have trouble ever getting a job because everyone thinks that he’s some hate-driven monster who drove his roommate to a situation that could only be relieved through suicide.

    Having lived in a dorm room with a roommate, I feel a lot more sorry for Ravi himself in the situation. His roommate was pretty inconsiderate about sexual activity and brought people back to the room that Ravi felt were sketchy. He couldn’t be comfortable in his own room and had to spend a lot of time elsewhere. He didn’t intend to ensnare Clementi in something bad, he was trying to regain some control of his own personal space. During my college days, I remember one student committing a hate crime against himself in an effort to make it appear as if he were persecuted by the other residents around him. There were no documented incidents prior to this one. His roommate was briefly investigated but completely found to be blameless. No charges were brought (though a felony was committed), and nobody ever raised the possibility that there was a hate crime in that a frame job for a hate crime is one itself. It seems that anyone who is part of a “victimized” class of people can create automatic guilt until proven innocent against the people who are truly the victims of the situation. In no way did Ravi make Clementi jump, but Ravi is forever scarred with this, when all he did was leave a camera running to monitor his home away from home.

    The fact that he’s been declared a hate criminal across the internet will really hinder his future life.

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  2. Poosh

    I know it’s a weird thing to bring out of it, but I can’t believe how backward and outright absurd it is for American universities to STILL have shared dorm rooms. Made even worse given the insane fees Americans pay.

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  3. Poosh

    InsipiD picks up on some good points. Cultural Marxism is very sinister, and vile. It warps your mind and messes up your moral compass – it affects your consciousness, and is designed to. Ravi is lucky he isn’t white, or I’m sure he would have been treated worse. I can’t find any “homophobic” angle to this, though not well-read on this. This should be a matter of violating someone’s privacy. But some people have no problem with that.

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  4. InsipiD

    But But… Ravi was a BULLY right?

    That’s pretty much my point. Up until the video got out, Clementi was pretty much the bully.

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  5. Kimpost

    Clementi was the bully? Look, I don’t think that Ravi was a gay hating white supremacist, but putting the camera up was WRONG. Not murder or manslaughter wrong, but it was wrong. VERY wrong.

    And he got punished for it. Seems reasonable to me. It’s unfortunate however, that we live in an age where identities of suspects are always released to the public, long before convictions. I wished it weren’t so.

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  6. InsipiD

    Clementi was the bully in that Ravi felt uncomfortable being in his own room because of people his roommate was bringing there. Putting up a camera isn’t exactly the type of thing that someone would do who had the upper hand. What do you think was happening?

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  7. Kimpost

    Putting up a camera is exactly something a bully would do. Someone fearing for his life, his future, his sanity, his family, love and the human race, would have talked to the guy. Had that not worked, he would have talked to officials. Had that not worked he would have talked to someone else. If nothing would have worked, he would have moved out himself.

    Or, he could have beaten the crap out of the guy. If I felt abused I might have just done that. But I would have deserved the punishment when I got it. Not for the suicide, but for the beating. Had I chosen another route, like say putting up a camera. I would have deserved punishment for such a dick move.

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  8. Seattle Outcast

    People put cameras up in their residences all the time for security.

    Bullies physically, verbally, emotionally, etc harass other people – making sure that his roommate’s sketchy boyfriend isn’t stealing shit doesn’t qualify.

    Trust me on this one, I’ve been bullied – this isn’t even in the same category.

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  9. sahrab

    Putting up a camera is exactly something a bully would do

    How does one bully someone without the victim knowing about it?

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  10. InsipiD

    Putting up a camera is exactly something a bully would do. Someone fearing for his life, his future, his sanity, his family, love and the human race, would have talked to the guy.

    No, someone being bullied knows better than to think that talking about it will do anything. Besides, do you really think that the straight student complaining about a gay student is going to get any help from the university? He would’ve been told that he was a hateful paranoid homophobe, and that he had no basis to judge his roommate or anyone he brought home. I think that he put up the camera and was immediately regretful of what it showed him, but he was just trying to protect his stuff.

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  11. Seattle Outcast

    Talking to a bully about their behavior will always have the same result – an increase in the bullying behavior.

    One thing, and one thing only, ever stops a bully: consequences

    To start with, lot’s of bullies find what they’re doing as quite enjoyable and/or frequently think the victim has “earned” it – “talking” to them isn’t any motivation to quit doing it. Making them bleed for their efforts, however, will provide plenty of reasons for it to to “not be worth the trouble”….

    I think that he put up the camera and was immediately regretful of what it showed him, but he was just trying to protect his stuff.

    I know I would have regretted it. Puking is never pleasant…..

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  12. Kimpost

    It’s odd how so many of you seem totally convinced that Clementi only put up the camera to protect his stuff. That would be his version 100%. How about his tweets and text messages? How about Clementi playing the tapes for his friends?

    I think that Clementi did wrong, but I DON’T think that he’s responsible for Ravi’s suicide. Am I being unreasonable? Your reaction is weird to me. It was the same with the Zimmerman-Martin case. Why go from one extreme to another? Zimmerman was a neo-Nazi or a superhero, Martin was a gang-banger or a saint. All depending on politics, it seems. Isn’t all this ridiculous?

    Seems to me that Celementi got a pretty fair deal from the justice system. The court of public opinion is another matter, though. I don’t like media reporting names before convictions. I’m not a huge fan of media reporting names after convictions either, but that’s just crazy talk, I know…

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  13. InsipiD

    Do I think that Ravi did something wrong? I do, but his level of punishment has already been way beyond appropriate. When you’re not the only person using a living space, running video without the other person’s knowledge is a violation of their privacy. Normal expectation of a living area like that is that you’re not being taped. That said, he’s been kicked out of school and stamped with the scarlet letter. Just like with Zimmerman, my position is partly reactionary to my recognition of the media making the situation out to be something it wasn’t. Ravi wasn’t some hate-filled monster attempting to entrap Clementi for the purpose of public humiliation. His only chance to leave this behind is now to change his name and move to a different area, and even a legal name change doesn’t leave it behind for the purposes of employment (as background checks will ask for/find the old name).

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  14. Technomad

    I have a strongish feeling that if this guy’s idiot roommate hadn’t been a member of a politically powerful, politically-correct minority (IOW, if his little tryst had been with a woman) nobody’d have paid much attention to this whole thing.

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  15. Seattle Outcast

    The punishment is way out of line – he’s being made an example of in the name of political correctness, just like Zimmerman. The rule of thumb is this: when the LSM, academics, and race-baiters scream hate crime, it is almost certainly not one.

    Also, the way dorms are set up with being randomly assigned roommates is stupid. I don’t know about you, but the last thing I want is a gay roommate that brings over his skanky, older, shifty-looking dates and tells me to get lost while they spend the next few hours buggering each other. Now this guy gets to not only worry about his stuff being stolen, there’s the almost certain drug use going on in his room, and he has to find someplace else to study.

    He should have been able to make 1 complaint that his roommate was entertaining skanky old fags and interfering with his ability to study and had a new roommate.

    I’d also have the same complaint about a straight roommate that kept bringing girls over to fuck. Unless he brougth one for me, he can go find someplace else to do his business – college dorms are too damned small for putting up with that bullshit.

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  16. InsipiD

    I’d also have the same complaint about a straight roommate that kept bringing girls over to fuck. Unless he brougth one for me, he can go find someplace else to do his business – college dorms are too damned small for putting up with that bullshit.

    When I was in the dorms, at one point I was in a large room with two other guys (we knew each other well and had requested this). One of my roommates brought a woman there once who was at least 30 who beat the shit out of all three of us at pool and drinking. If he’d brought her there again, I’d planned on talking to number 3 and saying something to number 2 about her and not being comfortable with it.

    It doesn’t take being gay for there to be a problem.

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  17. CM

    I’d also have the same complaint about a straight roommate that kept bringing girls over to fuck.

    Yeah right. That’s why the equivalent of ‘skanky old fags’ is ‘girls’.

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  18. Seattle Outcast

    Yeah right. That’s why the equivalent of ‘skanky old fags’ is ‘girls’.

    Once again we see you have a complete inability to use logic.

    What was the roommate bringing over? A “shifty” older gay man, who looked like a thief”

    Totally unacceptable.

    Opposite end of the spectrum: Young girls looking for sex

    Still unacceptable

    See – they weren’t meant to be “equivalent”, but a moron like you can’t figure out where things are going without being led there by the nose.

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