Why I am not a part of “popular movements” like OWS

Best explenation I have seen yet of why we should fear these popular movements like OWS ever:

History is replete with Peoples’ movements that, claiming weight of numbers and well-meaning intentions for others, have changed the course of society–but not necessarily for the better. In other words, pathologically altruistic movements.


The Occupy movement seeks to make things fair for everyone, not by allowing people to flourish with their natural talents, but rather by focusing on and tearing down anyone who has more—more talent, more industriousness, more intelligence and, often as a consequence of these natural qualities, more possessions.

As the author points out, the OWS movement shares the same genus with the French and the Communist Revolutions, both of which where tyrannical and bloody endeavors, the communists one killing some 100 million of their own people, and focuses not on actually any kind of real justice, but on tearing down anyone that has more than they do. That’s because “popular movements” like OWS and like the democrat’s class warfare bread & butter tactic, are predicated on the basest and vilest of emotions – jealousy and envy – despite the argument that what they really want is justice.

How does that old saying go again? With friends like these, who needs enemies? Envy and jealousy, even when hidden behind a mantle of seeking justice, means blood. It’s not a coincidence that we find OWSers resorting to violence and the movement excusing it. Their goal isn’t justice: its to tear down & punish those they are envious of, and they do a great job by blaming those everyone has an innate dislike of already, like bankers. Of course, the marxist politicians get a pass, because the OWS movement is controlled and run for the benefit of marxist playing at being otherwise. But hey, the reason that why the democrats empathize and support the OWS movement and despise the Tea Partiers is because want to be left alone to seek their own prosperity makes you the unjust and bad guys. After all, where is the erm, “justice!” (TM) in wanting to be left alone?

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  1. Dave D

    I like that, Jim! I’ll have to use that on the lazy, good for nothing ‘friends” who feel the need to constantly post on my FB feed that they hate “big, evil corporations” and the rich.

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  2. Kimpost

    In Scandinavia we call it the Law of Jante.

    The sentiment seems to be part of human nature, however I think that its impact is overblown. Most people I know celebrate success, even people on the left. I actually don’t think that I know anyone who doesn’t.

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  3. JimK

    The sentiment seems to be part of human nature, however I think that its impact is overblown.

    Ready for the surprise?

    We disagree. Obviously it’s a part of human nature, it’s been discussed since time immemorial. As for the impact? It’s my firm belief that if you look at most major events throughout history that were directly instigated/influenced by a single individual, you will find this issue at the center of it. Sometimes there are situations where someone else has something and the actor decides they deserve it more. Sometimes, the actor knows this piece of human nature exists and uses it to inflame the masses to action.

    There was this little thing you may have heard of called WWII? Pretty much a combination of both of those issues. One man decided that he deserved glory, and in plotting a course to achieve it, he determined that his country deserved what others had. Knowing what he knew about human nature, he used Tall Poppy Syndrome and the economic climate to inflame a population to commit atrocities in order to destroy the success of “undesirables.” Kinda snowballed out of control, and is an extreme example, to be sure. But maybe the most obvious (and documented) example in all of human history (to date, anyway).

    Most people I know celebrate success, even people on the left. I actually don’t think that I know anyone who doesn’t.

    Then you don’t know Americans that are both Democrats and union members. I’ve never heard more fucking whining about success in my LIFE as since I have started welding school. No one is allowed to succeed past anyone else. Doing truly excellent work brands you everything from a suck-up to a traitor. My teacher, of all people, regales us with stories about guys who “thought they were better than everyone else” and got drummed out of a job, or one union or another. But when you dig deeper you get the real story: these guys were simply good at their jobs and gave two fucks about doing it well. Which makes the bulk of the clock-punchers look bad. And that is the very root of TPS: not that one person looks great, but that the rest of them look bad by comparison. Rather than up their game and live the mantra that “a rising tide raises all boats,” they’d rather sink the one good boat they got.

    American unions are the most common practitioners of Tall Poppy Syndrome. But it is something that pops up all the time. Everyone who reaches a certain amount of success will be hated by some, and of that subset some will be despised by all, for little more than being good at what they do. Happens every day in this country. If you don’t see it you’re either not looking, or you’re not being honest about it.

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  4. Kimpost

    It’s not that I don’t see it, we have Steve Jobs fans here too. It’s just that I don’t think that the Tall Puppy Syndrome holds up to scrutiny when being scratched beyond the surface. Do your TPS-supporting friends want you to succeed? If they do, then how solid is the foundation of their TPS? Do they admire the success of “good” capitalists like Steve Jobs (always) and Bill Gates (recently)? I’d imagine that many of them do, which is kind of telling. How about the opposite of success? How many mothers and fathers want their daughters to become prostitutes? How many celebrate alcoholism? Very few,

    Swedes often complain about TPS, so I see that debate all the time. I just don’t see it as detrimental to society as (some) others do. I think that the opposite force is way stronger. If it wasn’t, I suspect that humanity would have failed.

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  5. salinger


    It’s been my experience that there are a whole lot more weeds who believe they are maligned tall poppies than there are actual tall poppies.

    Being fairly successful in my career I do understand that there are foiks who will try to belittle the deservedness of ones rewards – but I also have had plenty of interactions with folks who erroneously believe they are being dragged down by outside elements when it is their own narrow vision (most often manifested in lack of empathy) holding them back.

    Often these two types of people are housed in one person.

    Bottom line – the cream rises to the top is a cliche because it is true.

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  6. JimK

    We seem to be having a few different conversations about some related-but-distinct elements of human nature.

    Kim: We simply don’t agree on the commonality or impact of what I’m call TPS and you call Law of Jante (which is a far more poetic term for it, BTW!). Doesn’t seem like we’re ever gonna agree. Cool. Thanks for not being a dick about it.

    Sal: you’re kinda sorta talking about something else. You said:

    Bottom line – the cream rises to the top is a cliche because it is true.

    Agreed. And when it does, someone, most likely a lot of someones, will hate it, envy it and attempt to spoil it, simply because it rose and they didn’t. Some of those people will believe they were better, but most of them simply don’t want anyone to notice that they’re shit at whatever it is they do. Success tends to throw mediocrity into sharp relief, shines a goddamned Klieg light on failure. People tend not to like their shittiness on display. Well most people, anyway. Some people live to display their own shittiness. The internet, and blog comments, are fucking filled with such peoples.

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  7. Mississippi Yankee

    Some people live to display their own shittiness. The internet, and blog comments, are fucking filled with such peoples.

    YOU made me scare my dog when I laughed so loud. YOU might have made me pee a little too!

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  8. CM

    We certainly have TPS here, and that’s exactly the terms that’s used. It used to be really quite bad (cringe-worthy smallmindedness). However it seems that as we’ve headed towards the right (diversified and deregulated the economy) over the last 30 years we’ve ‘matured’ on that front. It’s a lot less prevalent these days, thankfully.

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