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The Return of the Taliban

So it’s come to this:

Afghanistan’s president on Tuesday endorsed a “code of conduct” issued by an influential council of clerics that activists say represents a giant step backward for women’s rights in the country.

President Hamid Karzai’s Tuesday remarks backing the Ulema Council’s document, which allows husbands to beat wives under certain circumstances and encourages segregation of the sexes, is seen as part of his outreach to insurgents like the Taliban.

Both the U.S. and Karzai hope that the Taliban can be brought into negotiations to end the country’s decade-long war. But activists say they’re worried that gains made by women since 2001 may be lost in the process.

The hope is to bring the less insane factions of the Taliban into the coalition. But I suspect this ends with either a slightly less horrifying version of pre-invasion Afghanistan law or, at best, a tolerance of full shariah wherever people want to practice it.

I slept on this before posting and my two-word reaction as not changed: fuck ‘em.

We tried to fix the country. God knows we tried. We sacrificed thousands of our best citizens, hundreds of billions of dollars and ten years. We gave them every chance of progressing to, if not the 21st century, at least maybe the 18th. It was not good enough. A substantial fraction of the Afghan people want this. A substantial fraction are fine with a system that kills and mutilates women if they step out of line and keeps them and their children condemned to barbarism.

It pains me to abandon 15 million Afghan women and untold future generations to this. But I don’t see that there is anything we can do to prevent the nation’s suicide. Maybe we open up immigration for people willing to put all of it behind them. And we should maintain enough of an over-the-horizon presence to prevent the rise of another Al-Quada (although, without bin Laden, it’s unlikely another one could rise). But we’re done. The only thing that will stop this horror is when the Afghan people decide they’ve had enough.

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  1. Poosh says:

    Fuck ‘em indeed.

    I say we get the hell out of there, and nuke the site from orbit.

    There are far more important things to think about, like Kony 2012…. …. …

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  2. Section8 says:

    It pains me to abandon 15 million Afghan women and untold future generations to this.

    Not me.

    The only thing that will stop this horror is when the Afghan people decide they’ve had enough.

    Exactly

    That’s why I stated a few months ago in the pissing incident, we need to leave the place, and let them know if they mess with us again we’ll turn it into a parking lot. Much to the boo hoo of the left leaning posters here, but that’s the best option, and for those who don’t like telling Karsai we’re reverting to the parking lot idea, then suggest or your leaders if they plan on making a haven for terrorists again, suggest they bomb your country instead so that the response will be more “civilized”. Of course your tune may change when you start seeing your countrymen get wiped out.

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  3. Seattle Outcast says:

    I say we get the hell out of there, and nuke the site from orbit.

    It’s the only way to be sure…

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  4. Poosh says:

    God help us all.
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  5. Section8 says:

    At least things seem to be going great in Iraq . http://m.english.al-akhbar.com/content/iraqi-teenagers-stoned-death-emo-haircuts

    I guess we just need to get more tolerant of the Islamic society, Anyhow, considering these stonings seem to have government blessing, I guess the UN will step up and do the right thing with it’s new morals of “responsibility to protect”. Of course the argument could be made if Saddam were still in power this wouldn’t have happened. Other people would be killed instead, but oh well. That’s one place we should have never went to anyhow. Now if the big O would simply stop getting us involved in other places where they all seem to end up with the same outcome we’d be alright. Of course now it’s cool to get involved. Jesus.

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  6. mrblume says:

    We gave them every chance of progressing to, if not the 21st century, at least maybe the 18th.

    Generous, and oh so charitable. Hasn’t everyone been talking about White Man’s Burden recently? There must be some specifically American version of it.

    On a related note, I am reminded how thankful I am to progressives for creating this 21st century of ours. If things were left to conservatism, we’d be back to beating woman in a couple of generations. It starts with Rush Limbaugh…

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  7. Section8 says:

    If things were left to conservatism, we’d be back to beating woman in a couple of generations. It starts with Rush Limbaugh…

    Of course we know these are just masturbatory fantasies of yours, and not one of any conservative has ever suggested such a thing, but I see how you could be appalled by Rush’s comments they certainly weren’t appropriate, now how about when the left make similar statements when a woman says something that doesn’t appeal to them? I’m guessing this makes them safer?

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  8. West Virginia Rebel says:

    Karzai was always a politician and an opportunist first.
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