Please Ask, Please Tell

The repeal of DADT is almost a year old. So far, so good. No collapse in morale. And this:

A Navy tradition caught up with the repeal of the U.S. military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” rule on Wednesday when two women sailors became the first to share the coveted “first kiss” on the dock after one of them returned from 80 days at sea.

Petty Officer 2nd Class Marissa Gaeta of Placerville, Calif., descended from the USS Oak Hill amphibious landing ship and shared a quick kiss with her partner, Petty Officer 3rd Class Citlalic Snell of Los Angeles. The crowd screamed and waved flags around them.

To be fair, there are very few people who would object to two women kissing. A more telling test will be what happens when two men when the raffle.

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  1. bolly

    Wow. I finally have an account on RTFTWC. I hesitated for years, but when Lee moved to China I decided to correspond with him since i live in Japan. We exchanged some emails and I expressed how much I appreciated his blog.

    We had actually discussed meeting in the future but fate would not agree.

    So I continued to lurk. Visiting every day but never posting (or even trying to activate my first–long-ago account.)

    I will most likely continue to be a reader but as a new years resolution I plan to contribute a bit.

    bolly

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  2. richtaylor365

    That was just super…………I guess. All that rehearsing was not wasted, in front of bused in supporters and an ever fawning media that was tipped off before hand, they hit their mark and got all their lines correct, yahoo.

    No collapse in morale

    We’ll never really know since soldiers do what they are told. Not saying the old way was better or that gays should not serve, far from it, only that yet once again the squeaky wheel gets the grease and sexual preference get publicized.

    And I’ll bet you a C note that they were told ahead of time, “Keep it brief and dignified, no butt grabbing or over affectionate embraces”, still being told how they can live their lives.

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  3. sahrab

    That was just super…………I guess. All that rehearsing was not wasted, in front of bused in supporters and an ever fawning media that was tipped off before hand, they hit their mark and got all their lines correct, yahoo.

    Do you show the same cynicism when a picture is snapped of a regular joe being greeting by his gal after arriving home?

    only that yet once again the squeaky wheel gets the grease and sexual preference get publicized.

    Maybe if people didn’t feel compelled to interfere into the personal and private aspects of an Adults life, there would be any need to celebrate when two adults greet each other after one returns from war.

    And I’ll bet you a C note that they were told ahead of time, “Keep it brief and dignified, no butt grabbing or over affectionate embraces”, still being told how they can live their lives.

    In other words the Homo’s are now being treated exactly like the Hetro’s. Sounds like a win for our society after all!

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  4. richtaylor365

    Do you show the same cynicism when a picture is snapped of a regular joe being greeting by his gal after arriving home?

    If it was accompanied with the same Hollywood type product with script and casting, yeah, I probably would.

    In other words the Homo’s are now being treated exactly like the Hetro’s. Sounds like a win for our society after all!

    Except they’re not. The average Joe does not get his return home scripted and is not presented guidelines on what is and what is not permitted in front of cameras.

    I admit, my comment was a bit snarky, I’m allowed one once and while, but this whole Hollywood production, if you want to get all weepy and teary eyed, have at it.

    I bet gay men and women have come home to partners who met them with affectionate embraces for decades with no fanfare.

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  5. sahrab

    The average Joe does not get his return home scripted and is not presented guidelines on what is and what is not permitted in front of cameras.

    And i addressed this earlier, since you ignored it:

    Maybe if people didn’t feel compelled to interfere into the personal and private aspects of an Adults life, there would be any need to celebrate when two adults greet each other after one returns from war.

    We’ll never know whether Hollywood would put forth the same production for Hetro’s. The only way to tell is if the regular Joe was prevented from embracing his gal, while the Homo Joe’s and Homo Gals, were free to embrace their loved ones and didn’t face the same intrusion into their personal and private lives.

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  6. Seattle Outcast

    I’m going to side with Rich on this one – it was scripted and set up just for the cameras.

    Here’s another thing – while many people have gay friends, myself included, the last thing they ever want to witness is two guys swapping spit with each other. It makes most people want to puke.

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  7. sahrab

    And this matters why? Does that fact its staged (a’la Iowa Jima), make it any less to celebrate?

    I took it more as a celebration that the troops were home, AND, that the troops were free to greet and be greeted by their loved ones exactly the same way for all, no mater their sexual orientation.

    I didn’t give a crap that it was staged, didn’t even think about it (but then I’m not looking for a reason to criticize it either)

    When i saw the picture, i got from it what was intended. This same celebration, a loved one greeting a loved one, would not have occurred post Operation Desert Storm without legal ramifications.

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  8. Mississippi Yankee

    sahrab,
    If you were to read the whole article you might discover that the privilege of “first kiss” is won by lottery. So yes it was somewhat scripted. The fact that the sailor who won this lottery was a lesbian, that just happened to have a girlfriend that was also a sailor, might be a coincidence.

    And as for your “gay power” sentiment there are two declarative phrases I still remember from my showbiz days:

    1) It’s your mouth I don’t care if you shovel coal with it.
    2) …just don’t do it in the street, it frightens the children and spooks the horses.

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  9. Kimpost

    And as for your “gay power” sentiment there are two declarative phrases I still remember from my showbiz days:

    1) It’s your mouth I don’t care if you shovel coal with it.
    2) …just don’t do it in the street, it frightens the children and spooks the horses.

    I’d probably use that analogy when discussing sucking dick or drinking santorum. People should be able to kiss anywhere, regardless of sexuality. I.e. children should have to endure two men kissing in the street, just like they should have to stomach mom kissing the mailman when dad has left for the office. If people can’t even kiss, then what should they be allowed to do, in public? Hugging OK?

    I’m with sahrab. I understand that they used the moment, but who cares?

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  10. Hal_10000 *

    So I continued to lurk. Visiting every day but never posting (or even trying to activate my first–long-ago account.)

    I will most likely continue to be a reader but as a new years resolution I plan to contribute a bit.

    Glad to see you around. I too had hoped to meet Lee at some point (I used to live reasonably close to Houston).

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  11. Mississippi Yankee

    Kimpost,
    Let’s not forget Mommy kissing Santa Claus too. Or a bit of bestiality with Rudolf. Not to mention Prancer and Dancer and all the shit their into.

    Back closer to the point tho… I like ‘lipstick lesbians’ as well as the next guy, it’s the ‘diesel dykes’ that scare me.

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  12. hist_ed

    That’s what makes me a little suspicious about how random this lottery was. These two are definitely close to the L-Word side of the spectrum (Jennifer Beals, where are you?).

    I like to do a little lesbian anthropology. My grand unified theory of lesbians is that there are two tribes. Tribe A and tribe B. Tribe B looks like they could weld shut a manhole cover with their breath while setting a world record on the shot put. Tribe A is made up of those that appear normal to awesome. My theory is that the tribes almost never mix. I went to a lesbian wedding many years ago (whole weekend sort of thing, rented beach cabins) and, soaking in a nice hot tub with my wife and a few of the guests, thought “Damn, every woman at this wedding is hot. Where are the lady weight lifters?”

    Since then, I have met only one lesbian cross tribe couple. I have been to many social events hosted by gay friends and never seen any cross tribe interaction (or pollination).

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  13. JimK

    Further expanding on Hist’s lesbian anthropological survey, if there is a butch member of a lipstick lesbian couple, she’s still attractive, thin, etc, she just emphasizes gender neutral or even male dress, mannerisms, etc. Or she’s Hillary Swank-ish…boyish looking, but hit her with hair and makeup and BAM…model pretty.

    But yeah. Bench-press-a-Buick lesbians don’t seem to mix much with lipsticks. Personally I know a crapload of both kinds, and they do tend to stick to “their own.” Which seems to be a distinctly normal thing to do, no? Fear and mistrust of “other” is a survival trait in every animal.

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  14. Seattle Outcast

    Up until the last couple decades it was almost mandatory for any lesbian couple to NOT be composed to two “Lipstick” lesbians. Amazing what you can find on TV these days, but I was watching a documentary on 20th century lesbians not two years ago – fascinating stuff.

    Anyway, they were focusing on the New England enclaves of lesbians and their “rules” and how they were socially enforced. Two butch dykes could shack up together, but generally, each was on the prowl for a pretty girl and would dump each other in a heartbeat if they could score a babe instead. If two pretty girls moved in together, it was a matter for the whole community to destroy. If shunning didn’t work, it would work up to overt threats and then beatings.

    In the interviews with the pretty girls it was quickly obvious that they really didn’t want to be with the other crowd at all – they were too much like men, only angrier and without a dick (which most of them admitted they rather missed). They were really in a bad spot because pretty lesbians were way outnumbered, but they didn’t want to leave their community that accepted them (but only if they had a butch girlfriend).

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  15. AlexInCT

    But yeah. Bench-press-a-Buick lesbians don’t seem to mix much with lipsticks. Personally I know a crapload of both kinds, and they do tend to stick to “their own.”

    In my experience lipstick lesbians are rarer than honest politicians, and the one I met – I know scores of butch ones, and they all come with a chip on their shoulder and a need to prove they are manlier than men – was bisexual but humiliated for admitting that in the lesbian community. Maybe there are more lipstick lesbians where you are Jim, but I have experience with them across several states and also in several countries, and they have always, with that one exception I mentioned, been bench-press-Buick types. I could ask what your standard of “pretty” is too, but I doubt that would help, and it would only serve to make this discussion way to labor intensive for me.

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  16. hist_ed

    FOCUS GENTLEMEN!!! Tribe B is the stereotype that can bench press a Buick. Tribe A is not necessarily lipstick lesbians or model types, just anyone who looks normal (if she can change her hair cut and pass as straight she is in Tribe A).

    Unlike Alex I have only really known one Tribe B lesbian on more than a passing acquaintance (the half of the couple I mentioned above). I know many tribe A’s. Even a lesbian PE teacher (good friend of mine is one) is not necessarily Tribe B.

    Anyway, my original point is that those navy girls are pretty cute. Maybe not Jennifer Beals territory, but certainly not Tribe B. I wonder if the navy knew this was gonna happen at some time and so engineered some cuties to be the first kissin’ couple.

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