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Democrat response to voter fraud…

Vote, vote as often as you can in the same election, help the dead cast their votes, and help those people that are incapable of voting by voting democrat for them all!

That’s basically what the democrats seem to want. That’s from guy that pretends he had no clue about operation “Fast & Furious” and actually deserves to be hauled into court to defend the criminal activities he and his people have been trying to cover up with a web of lies. Eric Holder’s main point was that he thinks any kind of system that tries to prevent voter fraud is wrong and actually only intended to intimidate voters.

The question begs to be asked: what kind of voter is intimidated by a system that requires them to prove they are who they say they are, and limits them to a single vote? Isn’t the answer obvious? Equating the requirement that voters properly identify themselves at their polling place, and are also limited to a single vote, to disgusting practices like a poll taxes or a literacy test – both practices heavily used by Southern democrats that wanted to control who voted, I add for historical perspective – smacks of idiocy. Again: who benefits the most from a system with no checks? Let me direct you to the typical democrat controlled shithole where they have close to or over 100% of the eligible and registered population show up to vote for a clue.

And Holder’s belief that people should automatically be registered to vote is frightening to me. I have registered to vote a couple of times. By far, this is the most pleasant experience one can have dealing with government entities. It never took me more than 5 minutes despite the idiots that usually work at these places. And if the average citizen is so apathetic about the political process that they can not take such a little bit of time to register, I do not want them voting. They are likely to be just as apathetic and uninformed about the issues and the election they are now able to vote in. Guess what party benefits from dumb people that vote emotions and not issues?

I guess democrats want to “count every vote”, except those of the military, and those of real citizens that only vote once as they should. This 2012 election is going to be a doozy. I expect voter fraud to be rampant and if the donkeys steal the election I expect Holder to kill any and all instances of real voter fraud or intimidation like he has already done in the case of the ones brought up around the 2008 elections.

This is an all out attack on anything decent in this country. These crooks are not even ashamed anymore of what they are doing and the destructive results their practices have. Power to the collectivist powerblock above all else.

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  1. Kimpost says:

    As you probably know, Alex, a national ID (or a voter ID) is controversial even amongst conservatives. It apparently gives too much power/control to the government. So what to do? May I suggest that both parties should forget about voting blocks and ideology and just do what’s right?

    - Demand an ID, but make getting one FREE (paid for by hard working tax payers like yourself).
    - And seriously. What’s up with the registration process? Why the fuck does that even exist? What’s wrong with: Age 18 and an ID = ready to vote.
    - And why not make voting day a national holiday? Or, since holidays cost money, make it a Sunday. Aim for 70-80% instead of 50%.

    And as a side-note…

    - Ex-cons should have a vote. Especially so since you guys have decided to throw everyone in jail (well, 4-10 times(!) more often than most nations). Anyway, aren’t ex-cons supposed to become productive parts of society again? If so, why exclude them from the voting process? Idiocy, IMHO.

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  2. AlexInCT says:

    As you probably know, Alex, a national ID (or a voter ID) is controversial even amongst conservatives. It apparently gives too much power/control to the government.

    I did not say that’s what I wanted Kimpost. We have plenty of IDs that can be used to verify people’s identities as well of citizenship already. I certainly agree with you that if we do end up with a national voter ID it must be free to get and more importantly, whatever organization runs it is watched by outsiders to prevent abuse.

    Our registration process is to make sure you register in the municipality you live in. That way they can check you against a roster and make sure you should vote there and vote only once. You should see how anal they are about it ins Suburban Connecticut. Our big cities, being run by criminals do not bother much . Then again, most of the people living in the big cities can not bother to vote unless they get bussed and paid.

    Our voting day has been has a lot of history behind it. The reason it is not a holiday IMO is that democrats fear voter turn out would take a huge hit amongst the few people that vote for them and work. These people are far likely to just go do something else on their day off like they do on Veterans or Labor day already.

    I disagree that ex-cons should vote. Personally I think the states should get to decide that, but someone that is a convicted felon has already shown enough contempt for the system. I believe that it is a myth that ex-cons become productive members of society. Most become habitual offenders, learning how to be more dangerous and hard core from those that have more experience at it, while in jail. The sad fact is that there are people that simply never will fit in, and their numbers keep going up and up. Pretending we can make them citizens is not just a waste of time, it all but assures us more problems. Nah, no vote for these people. Sorry. All they would do is vote for other crooks. It’s not a coincidence that democrats so want to give them the vote BTW.

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  3. Section8 says:

    Kimpost, fight with your government to give me the right to vote in your elections instead of worrying about ours. After all, since you all over there seem to think the UN has the final say, I should be able to vote in a leader in your country that will put a guy in the UN that has the best interest in my country. Thanks for getting started on that movement.

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  4. richtaylor365 says:

    - And seriously. What’s up with the registration process? Why the fuck does that even exist? What’s wrong with: Age 18 and an ID = ready to vote.

    Kimpost, you have to register in Sweden to vote:

    Everyone living in Sweden must be registered with the Swedish Tax Agency to be entered into the system as a tax-paying resident. Registering also allows you to vote in your local municipality and assures that you pay the right amount of tax and insurance premiums.

    Are you as at a loss wrt to your own nation’s voting requirements as well?

    Registering to vote is necessary, for the obvious reasons.

    Regarding ex felons, many states have allowed ex felons to vote, with more changing all the time. I am inclined to allow all ex felons to vote as long as they register first and then keep their nose clean and become productive citizens.

    Regarding voting day, let’s keep it the way it is. Polls open super early and stay open super late, nobody who wants to vote has any real excuse not to. And for those that know they will get jammed up that day, vote absentee, simple.

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  5. Hal_10000 says:

    The debate over this is maddening. Some were comparing it to Jim Crowe. I dont think they know what Jim Crowe means.

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  6. Mississippi Yankee says:

    Alex, you have my condolences just for living in the swamp of Connecticut but what the hell is up with this?

    New Haven Mayor Wants Illegals To Vote In Local Elections

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  7. salinger says:

    Relevant

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  8. balthazar says:

    They need to update that piece with the actual convictions of some ACORN people. Voter fraud does exist, and does happen.

    Oh wait, that will never happen since the law center you cite actually WORKED FOR ACORN. LOL hahahahahahha Unbiased source my ass.

    http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/acorn_v_bysiewicz/

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  9. AlexInCT says:

    Alex, you have my condolences just for living in the swamp of Connecticut but what the hell is up with this?

    Well thanks for that sympathy man. I live in the “burbs”, a small town, as far away from the big cities as possible, for a reason: they are infested by parasites that vote for a living. If it was up to me I would have left this state long ago, but my wife has relatives here and refuses to go. So I put up with the insanity and some of the most greedy people ever, pretending to “care” about their fellow citizens, while enriching themselves. They are the same types that have been robbing the productive in this state for some 2 plus decades now and have driven tens of thousands of high paying awesome skilled jobs elsewhere. And the only time the media here cares about reporting on shenanigans is when they can blame republicans, which here in CT are what used to be considered mildly conservative democrats in another era.

    As for the second part: is it not obvious? That guy is a democrat! It is the very point I am trying to make. The democrats want illegals, criminals, and whomever else they can buy the votes from to get a right to vote because it prevents the productive from defeating them at the polls by sheer numbers, or when that is not enough, massive voter fraud.

    DeStefano is counting on these illegals to vote for him, especially when he already is making everyone pay up so he can hand them “freebees” he hopes will drive their voter selection. It’s about power, not serving the citizens or caring about these illegals paying taxes or anything else. Don’t believe that for a damned second. These crooks look out for their own pockets, those of their relatives, then their parties interests, then their donors, after those, lobbyists, a lot of other things, and finally their voting base, in that order. Anyone else can go suck dick. Pay them for favors or suffer the consequences. But hey, conservatives are the heartless ones, becuase we will not let them turn everywhere else into Chicago.

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  10. AlexInCT says:

    relevant

    even more relevant

    In case you are too lazy:

    The Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law is a non-partisan public policy and law institute that focuses on the fundamental issues of democracy and justice. Our work ranges from voting rights to campaign finance reform, from racial justice in criminal law to Constitutional protection in the fight against terrorism. A singular institution – part think tank, part public interest law firm, part advocacy group – the Brennan Center combines scholarship, legislative and legal advocacy, and communications to win meaningful, measurable change in the public sector.

    I bolded the relevant “code words”. This is your usual leftist bullshit organization pretending to be anything but, and engaging in pushing the left’s agenda. Of course they will find that voter fraud is rare, because that’s what the left needs you to believe. But the truth is out there if you look hard.

    Of course getting the facts on voter fraud is hard, because the usual suspects simply refuse to investigate it or dismiss it, and the LSM definitely does not like reporting about real voter fraud, since the culprits will nearly always have ties to democrats. Couple that with a democrat controlled DOJ that actually suppresses and dismissed voter fraud or intimidation cases these days, when they harm their party, and you can see why these shitbags pretend voter fraud isn’t a big problem and is much ado about nothing. The truth is that even one fraudulent vote can turn an election, and we need none of that.

    Fraudulent voter registration and voting seem to occur in high numbers, and practically always in the favor of democrats, just in time to win them elections. Ask Al Franken for example. Or take a look at the recent election between Prosser and Kloppenberg in Minnesota. Democrats “found” just enough ballots, in a democrat friendly precinct, right after the AP count was done, to win the election for the democrat. But the AP had screwed up and missed the complete vote count of a heavily republican district which basically made it necessary to “find” some 7.5K additional votes to overcome the 7300 vote margin that they now faced. The practice of the left suddenly “finding” just enough votes after everything is counted happens all over the place. It has cost people elections all over the nation.

    Without voter fraud democrats would be in big trouble everywhere but in the big hardcore blue metropolis areas where the fraud happens between and against each other instead. No wonder they want a lot more of it and before the 2012 election which they already see is going to be real painful for them.

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  11. salinger says:

    Another leftist bullshit organization’s study.

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  12. balthazar says:

    Again, that was an article BEFORE various ACORN employees were and some are still, tried for election fraud. LOL you are nothing more than a partisan hack, way to not address the obvious conflict of interest in your first post as well.

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  13. salinger says:

    Again, that was an article BEFORE various ACORN employee

    You are confusing registration fraud vs voting fraud. Anytime you reduce labor to piecework quality suffers. Their registration gathering process definitely was flawed.

    A study by the Republican National Lawyers Association was able to come up with 300 or so convictions of voter fraud in the last ten years.

    I doubt that would swing many elections.

    This is a non-issue.

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  14. Kimpost says:

    Kimpost, you have to register in Sweden to vote:

    Everyone living in Sweden must be registered with the Swedish Tax Agency to be entered into the system as a tax-paying resident. Registering also allows you to vote in your local municipality and assures that you pay the right amount of tax and insurance premiums.

    Are you as at a loss wrt to your own nation’s voting requirements as well?

    Registering to vote is necessary, for the obvious reasons.

    I guess this is one of those instances when something is technically right, but really doesn’t mean anything. Everyone in Sweden are registered either at birth or when moving in. Illegals would be the only exception and they can’t register.

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  15. Biggie G says:

    Actually, it can swing elections. The real legacy of the 2000 Presidential election is get it close and get it in the courts. You don’t need huge Tammany Hall style voter fraud any more. You just need to get enough votes to trigger a recount and start monkeying with the votes after the fact.

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  16. balthazar says:

    Wrong.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/26/acorn-workers-convicted-admitted-guilt-election-fraud/

    ELECTION FRAUD, paying people to actually vote, falsely searing in for an election (ie impersonation), interfering with election officials, much more than just registration fraud.

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  17. Kimpost says:

    Kimpost, fight with your government to give me the right to vote in your elections instead of worrying about ours. After all, since you all over there seem to think the UN has the final say, I should be able to vote in a leader in your country that will put a guy in the UN that has the best interest in my country. Thanks for getting started on that movement.

    Fair point I guess. Try not the read me as a condescending Euro. I’m not actually demanding a say in US politics, I’m merely expressing my opinion. I realize that my WTF-language probably came on a bit strong but come on, let’s stay friends. :)

    And btw. You’ve got a point on UN too. Swedes really tend to respect that organisation. A bit too much at times I’m sure.

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  18. salinger says:

    falsely searing in for an election (ie impersonation)

    False Swearing is not equivalent to impersonation it is:

    False swearing consists of knowingly taking or giving any oath required by the Municipal Election Code with the knowledge that the thing or matter sworn to is not a true and correct statement.

    Which would include turning in false registrations – the offense that these people have been found guilty of.

    300 some convictions across the whole United States in ALL elections the last ten years.

    Smoke and mirrors.

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  19. richtaylor365 says:

    I guess this is one of those instances when something is technically right, but really doesn’t mean anything. Everyone in Sweden are registered either at birth or when moving in.

    OK, but the point being is that even in Sweden, all voters are registered first for the purposes of keeping track of who is voting, where that voter lives and making sure that one voter gets one vote. Wouldn’t you agree that such safeguards make for a fair election and can’t you grant us the same safeguards?

    Whether voter fraud is a small problem or a big one, the fact of the matter is that it does exist and fraud should not play any part in swaying elections. When you look at that Minnesota Senate race when Al Franken won, that race was decided by only a hand full of votes and there were massive accusations of voter fraud, so now we get stuck with the dumbest Senator in our history, wonderful.

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  20. Kimpost says:

    OK, but the point being is that even in Sweden, all voters are registered first for the purposes of keeping track of who is voting, where that voter lives and making sure that one voter gets one vote. Wouldn’t you agree that such safeguards make for a fair election and can’t you grant us the same safeguards?

    I agree. It’s just that the registration here is so automatic that I wouldn’t call it one. There are no forms to fill. No deadlines to keep track of. If you’re 18 and you show up with your ID you can vote (because you are automatically registered). You can vote anywhere and as many times as you wish, but the only vote that will actually count is the latest one. In the transcript it seem like the administration is seeking something similar.

    All eligible citizens can and should be automatically registered to vote. The ability to vote is a right – it is not a privilege. Under our current system, many voters must follow cumbersome and needlessly complex voter registration rules. And every election season, state and local officials have to manually process a crush of new applications – most of them handwritten – leaving the system riddled with errors, and, too often, creating chaos at the polls.

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  21. Xetrov says:

    300 some convictions across the whole United States in ALL elections the last ten years.

    Smoke and mirrors.

    Using that logic -

    Since only 21.4% of all murder cases went to trial in Texas in 2010, and roughly 76% of those were convicted, around 80% of murders in Texas didn’t happen because there was no conviction. http://resipsablog.com/2010/12/20/conviction/

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  22. balthazar says:

    Talk about smoke and mirrors, again you leave unaddressed the absolutely biased sources you used AND ignored the fact that you are WRONG about all of the fraud being registration fraud.

    False swearing includes impersonation, improper registration, lying to election officials of any form.

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  23. salinger says:

    False swearing includes impersonation, improper registration, lying to election officials of any form.

    True – you implied that it merely meant impersonation by using it as your only example for the term.

    As for sources. I grant that the Brennan link can be cited as left leaning – therefor I supplied a link to the investigation done by the Bush white house and the very recent one performed by the Republican lawyers’ group – both which support my premise that election fraud is not a dire concern and not even remotely as prevalent as the chicken little posturing of those who decry it’s dangers.

    I think I’ve proven my point as far as any reasonable person would be concerned. Even if you multiplied the convicted cases by a hundred – spread over ten years it’s not even a drop in the ocean of votes.

    This is a non-issue.

    Have a Merry Christmas.

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  24. AlexInCT says:

    I agree. It’s just that the registration here is so automatic that I wouldn’t call it one. There are no forms to fill. No deadlines to keep track of. If you’re 18 and you show up with your ID

    Wait… what ID is that? And can I have the same ID as an illegal? Because the problem is that illegals can get many forms of ID because of lax state enforcement of procedures to verify status. In fact, our government has often blocked any and all attempts to try and actually verify states. Here in CT cops are forbidden from doing this. It is career suicide to ask someone if they are here illegally because the lefty politicians will scalp you for daring to do that.

    And the Feds are worse. That’s why we have a case from Arizona, which got tired of the feds ignoring their own laws, and thus passed their own equivalent laws to deal locally with the problem, only to have it be challenged, heading for our SCOTUS. Guess who is fighting Arizona on enforcement of immigration status? The Obama administration…

    See a pattern yet?

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  25. AlexInCT says:

    As for sources. I grant that the Brennan link can be cited as left leaning

    I laughed at that. I did some more research and these assholes give the hardcore communists in the ACLU a run for their money. These guys should have the same credibility as the people that deny the hollocaust happened.

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  26. Kimpost says:

    Wait… what ID is that? And can I have the same ID as an illegal? Because the problem is that illegals can get many forms of ID because of lax state enforcement of procedures to verify status. In fact, our government has often blocked any and all attempts to try and actually verify states. Here in CT cops are forbidden from doing this. It is career suicide to ask someone if they are here illegally because the lefty politicians will scalp you for daring to do that.

    You can’t get a valid ID in Sweden unless you are registered (by birth or through legal immigration). So illegals can’t do that. And even if they did manage to get hold of a fake ID, then they still wouldn’t be able to vote with it, because their names wouldn’t be in the voting system.

    Guess who is fighting Arizona on enforcement of immigration status? The Obama administration…

    See a pattern yet?

    I think you are a bit too cynical. Surely most politicians mean well? ;) Anyway, I’m all for putting systems into place that helps strengthening the core of any democracy. By broadening the base (automatic registration – might favour democrats), but also by strengthening its integrity (voter ID – might favour republicans).

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  27. AlexInCT says:

    You can’t get a valid ID in Sweden unless you are registered (by birth or through legal immigration). So illegals can’t do that. And even if they did manage to get hold of a fake ID, then they still wouldn’t be able to vote with it, because their names wouldn’t be in the voting system.

    Then the system in Sweden sounds a lot like what those of us that want to stop voter fraud are asking for. Seriously, what is wrong with making sure people that are voting are citizens and only vote once? The only thing I can think of is that some people benefit from illegals voting and certain people voting more than once……

    I think you are a bit too cynical.

    I certainly am Kimpost. After watching one party constantly abuse the system, in several states, treat military voters like lepers, while pretending that people that want to prevent voter fraud do so because they are motivated by racism, sexism, and whatever other ism you can concoct, with impunity, you bet it will mess you up.

    Surely most politicians mean well? ;)

    I am glad you put that smiley face there. The fact is no politican means well. They are all out to help themselves. Some are just not bothered with either a contience or shame, and I settle for whatever else is available.

    Anyway, I’m all for putting systems into place that helps strengthening the core of any democracy. By broadening the base (automatic registration – might favour democrats), but also by strengthening its integrity (voter ID – might favour republicans).

    The problem is that we would end up with the first and none of the later. I say vote integrity first, then whatever follows, follows. of course a system that would enforce integrity first would basically drastically undermine democrats, even if we got automatic registration. that’s why they oppose it more than they fight for automatic registration.

    BTW, I took the liberty of fixing your post’s formatting for you.

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  28. CM says:

    The fact is no politican means well. They are all out to help themselves.

    I certainly don’t share that view. I sincerely believe the vast majority of our national politicians here are in it to serve in the public interest, rather than help themselves. Politicians aren’t seen in nearly the same negative light as in the US. I guess this might play a part.

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  29. Miguelito says:

    I certainly don’t share that view. I sincerely believe the vast majority of our national politicians here are in it to serve in the public interest, rather than help themselves. Politicians aren’t seen in nearly the same negative light as in the US. I guess this might play a part.

    I do think a lot of people that run for office in the US do initially want to actually do some good. Eventually a pretty large percentage seem to eventually be corrupted by the system though.

    I’d love to see gov’t at all levels go back to the way it used to be: mostly part time service and not a career job. Even Truman initially served in that manner, and IIRC was nearly pressed back into service (as it were) to run with FDR.

    When you’ve got a system where it’s a person’s full time job to essentially make the rules that govern themselves… well, it’s a recipe for disaster.

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  30. Miguelito says:

    My previous reply brought to you by the department of redundancy department.

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  31. CM says:

    Anyway, if you’re going to make a bold claim about voter fraud being such an issue that it actually sways elections, you need to provide some pretty good evidence. The only evidence we seem to have had so far suggests it occurs but not to any meaningful extent. That’s been rubbished, but not replaced by anything. As per.

    I read Holder’s speech and I see nothing controversial in it. Of course everything is a conspiracy if you want it to be.

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  32. Kimpost says:

    I am glad you put that smiley face there. The fact is no politican means well. They are all out to help themselves. Some are just not bothered with either a contience or shame, and I settle for whatever else is available.

    I used the smiley mostly because I knew what your answer would be. I don’t love our politicians either. Believe me when I say that I sigh when I see most of them. Or worse, when I have to listen to them. But I do believe that most of them mean well. I think that they generally fight for things they actually believe in. They might grow tired of that as years go by (which is why term limits are a good thing even if we don’t have them), but by large I think most of them wants to change things for the better – as they see things.

    I’d accept fixing the integrity first, but then again, I’m not a Democrat. I suspect that many Democrats wouldn’t unless they got something in return. Washington is very much about playing games. It’s ingrained into the core of the process it seems.

    Appreciate you fixing the formatting. I never saw what went wrong, but since it’s looking good now I guess you fixed it.

    On CM’s article. I think that our countries being small helps to keep us at the top (NZ 1, SWE 4). All countries in the top 10 are fairly small (well done Canada, though). Smaller countries might mean closer ties between elected officials and the people, thus less corruption. It’s either that, or we are just nice people? :)

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  33. Kimpost says:

    Anyway, if you’re going to make a bold claim about voter fraud being such an issue that it actually sways elections, you need to provide some pretty good evidence. The only evidence we seem to have had so far suggests it occurs but not to any meaningful extent. That’s been rubbished, but not replaced by anything. As per.

    I read Holder’s speech and I see nothing controversial in it. Of course everything is a conspiracy if you want it to be.

    I don’t think that voter fraud is a big deal in the US in actual numbers. But it might be bad enough to make people lose confidence in the system. Seeing that the confidence in Washington is at an all time low already, I think addressing the integrity-issue might be worth it.

    I also read the transcript and agree with you. Nothing controversial. However there’s little trust. Democrats think that Republicans wants to narrow the base, and Republicans think that Democrats wants to enable voter fraud.

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  34. CM says:

    I agree, I think being smaller inherently does makes it easie. There is less disconnect, and systems can be more transparent and accountable.

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  35. CM says:

    Democrats think that Republicans wants to narrow the base, and Republicans think that Democrats wants to enable voter fraud.

    That’s true. To some it seems that the Dems want to encourage voter fraud if it gets them more votes, but to another person that attitude might just seem like a smokescreen (with the real motive being to ensure more poor people don’t vote, because they’ll just vote Democrat, which is wrong). I guess that’s what you’re saying?

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  36. Miguelito says:

    I don’t think that voter fraud is a big deal in the US in actual numbers. But it might be bad enough to make people lose confidence in the system. Seeing that the confidence in Washington is at an all time low already, I think addressing the integrity-issue might be worth it.

    That’s probably a part of it. My biggest gripe is: with something that really is this important and should be the duty of every citizen (to actually be informed on the people and issues being voted on)… why is anyone against some basic form of ID to make sure the person voting really is the person they claim to be?

    There are the usual claims of “it hurts the poor” but that looks like far more bullshit then people on the left are saying the claims of voter fraud are. Pretty much every voter ID law has provisions that damn near have people drive to your house and give you your ID if you’re at all unable to go and get one yourself, assuming you don’t already have a driver’s license already.

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  37. Kimpost says:

    That’s true. To some it seems that the Dems want to encourage voter fraud if it gets them more votes, but to another person that attitude might just seem like a smokescreen (with the real motive being to ensure more poor people don’t vote, because they’ll just vote Democrat, which is wrong). I guess that’s what you’re saying?

    Yes.

    why is anyone against some basic form of ID to make sure the person voting really is the person they claim to be?

    There are libertarian nay-sayers as well. I’m not sure if I remember correctly from old MW, but CzarChasm could be one of them? As such they just don’t want the government to grow any bigger, either in power or in size. It might even be unconstitutional somehow. I know that Glenn Beck is against it for that reason. “No new powers to the government”.

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  38. AlexInCT says:

    I certainly don’t share that view. I sincerely believe the vast majority of our national politicians here are in it to serve in the public interest, rather than help themselves.

    Not surprised you do. I bet you also believe in the tooth Fairy.

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  39. CM says:

    If they gave me a reason to, I’d be much more cynical. But as yet they don’t, so I’m not.

    I’m not a chronic conspiracy theorist like you remember Alex. I usually require a reasonable degree of evidence before I accept something (yes, including AGW theory – that you bought that up is a perfect example of self-delusion, as I keep pointing out and you keep ignoring).

    Anyway, the reality is that I’m Santa Claus and it won’t be long until I am the tooth fairy as well.

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  40. AlexInCT says:

    I’m not a chronic conspiracy theorist like you remember Alex.

    No CM, you are an apologist for the worst kinds of people and the most destructive ideology ever. You are defending the indefensible constantly, and no matter how ludicrous the attempt to do so comes across as, you keep pretending to do that all in good faith. As I have pointed out repeatedly, the fact that my conspiracy theories tend to end up being right, should have by now embarrassed you into avoiding me, but instead you seem to think that repeating your nonsense will somehow convince people that you have it right.

    Let’s put some perspective on this. You still defend Obama, arguing in such a way to make us think he means well, after it has become obvious to everyone that the guy has surpassed even Carter on the stupid & destructive scale. I could pick a hobo of the street and he would do a better job running this country. Stalin had a word to describe people like you: “Useful idiots”.

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  41. salinger says:

    Thought this would be relevant to this thread. Wouldn’t this make Newt just as responsible as ACORN?

    My point is merely that one cannot 100% police everyone contracted by an organization. One must bear responsibility (which Newt is ducking) but things do slip through the cracks. It’s the incessant nit picking by the extreme wings of either side that have crippled the political process here.

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