Call his f-ing bluff!

After the democrats spent the last months playing politics with the whole payroll tax thing, I am surprised to see republicans got smart and decided to include language to get the oil pipeline from Canada to Texas that would create some 200K+ jobs past the obstructionists at the WH that pretend they care about unemployed people but don’t. As is usual with the Community-Organizer-in-Chief, he has made a bad mistake by threatening to veto the bill if that is in there.

I say call this dumbass’ bluff! Tell Americans that these crooks don’t give a damn about improving the economy or creating jobs, and that what they want is people dependant on government and voting for them. Force him to veto this and then explain why he is putting the money & support from the anti-civilization loons that are part of his base ahead of the economic prosperity of America and Americans. Let him tell tall disaster stories and such, and let the American people realize how idiotic & destructive all these green people really all are.

I should also add that I would not be surprised to someday find out that one of the likely reason that Obama has stalled this economic boon of a deal is that competitors to the pipeline that will see their profits decline, have paid him to block it. Remember that BP – yes, the same BP that had that accident they told us was going to kill all life in the Gulf of Mexico, but which we have heard zero doomsday stories from for ever – was amongst one of Obama’s biggest donors.

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  1. CM

    that would create some 200K+ jobs

    Source?

    In response to negative publicity, president and CEO of TransCanada Russ Girling touted the positive impact of the project by “putting 20,000 US workers to work and spending $7 billion stimulating the US economy.”[65] This has been disputed by an independent study conducted by the Cornell ILR Global Labor Institute which found that while the Keystone XL would result in 2,500 to 4,650 temporary construction jobs, this impact will be reduced by higher oil prices in the Midwest which will likely reduce national employment.[66]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline#Political_issues

    anti-civilization loons

    idiotic & destructive all these green people really all are

    One concern is that the pipeline could pollute air and water supplies and harm migratory birds and other wildlife.[20] It will cross the Sandhills in Nebraska, the large wetland ecosystem, and the Ogallala Aquifer, one of the largest reserves of fresh water in the world.[43] The Ogallala Aquifer spans eight states, provides drinking water for two million people, and supports $20 billion in agriculture.[44] Critics are concerned that a major leak could ruin drinking water and devastate the mid-western U.S. economy.[45] Portions of the pipeline will also cross an active seismic zone that had a 4.3 magnitude earthquake as recently as 2002.[44] Opponents claim that TransCanada applied to the U.S. government to use thinner steel and pump at higher pressures than normal.[45]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline#Impacts

    Earthquakes never happen though. Not really. They’re a liberal fantasy, dreamt up to ensure gummit control. And water is over-rated. It tastes like nothing. And most of the world is made up of water anyway.

    Landowners in the path of the pipeline have complained about threats by TransCanada to confiscate private land and lawsuits to allow the “pipeline on their property even though the controversial project has yet to receive federal approval.” As of 17 October 2011, TransCanada had “34 eminent domain actions against landowners in Texas” and “22 in South Dakota.” Some of those landowners gave testimony for a House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing in May 2011.[67]

    Stupid environmental landowners. What a bunch of morons.

    but which we have heard zero doomsday stories from for ever

    The spill caused extensive damage to marine and wildlife habitats and to the Gulf’s fishing and tourism industries.[19][20] Skimmer ships, floating containment booms, anchored barriers, sand-filled barricades along shorelines, and dispersants were used in an attempt to protect hundreds of miles of beaches, wetlands, and estuaries from the spreading oil. Scientists also reported immense underwater plumes of dissolved oil not visible at the surface[21] as well as an 80-square-mile (210 km²) “kill zone” surrounding the blown well.[22] In late November 2010, 4,200 square miles (11,000 km²) of the Gulf were re-closed to shrimping after tar balls were found in shrimpers’ nets.[23] The amount of Louisiana shoreline affected by oil grew from 287 miles (462 km) in July to 320 miles (510 km) in late November 2010.[24] In January 2011, an oil spill commissioner reported that tar balls continue to wash up, oil sheen trails are seen in the wake of fishing boats, wetlands marsh grass remains fouled and dying, and crude oil lies offshore in deep water and in fine silts and sands onshore.[25] A research team found oil on the bottom of the seafloor in late February 2011 that did not seem to be degrading.[26] On May 26, 2011, the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality extended the state of emergency related to the oil spill.[27] By July 9, 2011, roughly 491 miles (790 kilometers) of coastline in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida remained contaminated by BP oil, according to a NOAA spokesperson.[28] In October 2011, a NOAA report shows dolphins and whales continue to die at twice the normal rate.[29]

    In January 2011 the White House oil spill commission released its final report on the causes of the oil spill. They blamed BP and its partners for making a series of cost-cutting decisions and the lack of a system to ensure well safety. They also concluded that the spill was not an isolated incident caused by “rogue industry or government officials”, but that “The root causes are systemic and, absent significant reform in both industry practices and government policies, might well recur”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill#Consequences

    Your arrogance and ignorance on just about every aspect is simply astounding. If you weren’t real I think someone would struggle to invent you (it just wouldn’t be believable).

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  2. CM

    Also I know both sides do it, but it seems utterly dishonest to try and tack on an unrelated item onto a bill.

    The summary of the Cornell report on jobs etc at Keystone:

    The main points in this briefing paper can be summarized as follows:
    » The industry’s US jobs claims are linked to a $7 billion KXL project budget.
    However, the budget for KXL that will have a bearing on US jobs figures is
    dramatically lower—only around $3 to $4 billion. A lower project budget means
    fewer jobs.
    » The project will create no more than 2,500-4,650 temporary direct construction
    jobs for two years, according to TransCanada’s own data supplied to the State
    Department.
    » The company’s claim that KXL will create 20,000 direct construction and
    manufacturing jobs in the U.S is not substantiated.
    » There is strong evidence to suggest that a large portion of the primary material
    input for KXL—steel pipe—will not even be produced in the United States. A
    substantial amount of pipe has already been manufactured in advance of pipeline
    permit issuance.
    » The industry’s claim that KXL will create 119,000 total jobs (direct, indirect, and
    induced) is based on a flawed and poorly documented study commissioned by
    TransCanada (The Perryman Group study). Perryman wrongly includes over $1
    billion in spending and over 10,000 person-years of employment for a section
    of the Keystone project in Kansas and Oklahoma that is not part of KXL and has
    already been built.
    » KXL will not be a major source of US jobs, nor will it play any substantial role at
    all in putting Americans back to work. Even if the Perryman figures were accurate,
    and all of the workers for the next phase of the project were hired immediately, the
    US seasonally adjusted unemployment rate would remain at 9.1%—exactly where it
    is now.
    » KXL will divert Tar Sands oil now supplying Midwest refineries, so it can be sold at
    higher prices to the Gulf Coast and export markets. As a result, consumers in the
    Midwest could be paying 10 to 20 cents more per gallon for gasoline and diesel
    fuel. These additional costs (estimated to total $2–4 billion) will suppress other
    spending and will therefore cost jobs.
    » Pipeline spills incur costs and therefore kill jobs. Clean-up operations and permanent
    pipeline spill damage will divert public and private funds away from productive
    economic activity. In 2010 US pipeline spills and explosions killed 22 people, released
    over 170,000 barrels of petroleum into the environment, and caused $1 billion dollars
    worth of damage in the United States.
    » Rising carbon emissions and other pollutants from the heavy crude transported
    by Keystone XL will also incur increased health care costs. Emissions also increase
    both the risk and costs of further climate instability.
    » By helping to lock in US dependence on fossil fuels, Keystone XL will impede
    progress toward green and sustainable economic renewal and will have a chilling
    effect on green investments and green jobs creation. The green economy has
    already generated 2.7 million jobs in the US and could generate many more.

    http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallaborinstitute/research/upload/GLI_KeystoneXL_Reportpdf.pdf

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  3. CM

    What is being offered by the proponents is advocacy to build support for KXL, rather than serious research aimed to inform public debate and responsible decision making. By repeating inflated numbers, the supporters of KXL approval are doing an injustice to the American public in that expectations are raised for jobs that simply cannot be met. These numbers—hundreds of thousands of jobs!—then get packaged as if KXL were a major jobs program capable of registering some kind of significant impact on unemployment levels and the overall economy. This is plainly untrue.

    http://priceofoil.org/2011/09/29/myth-or-miracle-are-keystone-xl-jobs-and-energy-security-claims-exaggerated/

    Tripper, I would be interested in your views of how the benefits of the pipeline outweighing the negatives/risks.

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  4. CM

    I’m for the pipeline, but I’m interested to know where the 200K jobs number is coming from.

    Up to a million new high-paying jobs according to the place the most uniformed go to get their news (and who are even less informed than those who say they don’t watch any news at all).

    Hell, why not claim 50 million executive jobs.

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  5. AlexInCT *

    I’m for the pipeline, but I’m interested to know where the 200K jobs number is coming from.

    What? I don’t get to do what the CBO and the Obama administration do regularly and only qoute the most beneficial numbers bandied about to make my case? WTF?

    I sure am glad you asked the question so I could get that dig in.

    Up to a million new high-paying jobs according to the place the most uniformed go to get their news (and who are even less informed than those who say they don’t watch any news at all).

    Hell, why not claim 50 million executive jobs.

    You mean like they did with that bullshit stimulus you keep pretending actually wasn’t the biggest rip off of taxpayers in the history of this country CM?

    The two states in the US with the lowest unemployment right now are both because of the oil industry. Look that up.

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  6. CM

    What? I don’t get to do what the CBO and the Obama administration do regularly and only qoute the most beneficial numbers bandied about to make my case? WTF?

    No, you don’t. And neither do they. I would ask where the CBO or Obama administration did that, but I know you’ll just run away. I keep asking questions like that you just ignore them.

    I sure am glad you asked the question so I could get that dig in.

    Unofortunately it just highlights your desperation to never be found wrong on anything. When you are so clearly and obviously wrong this is what you do.

    You mean like they did with that bullshit stimulus you keep pretending actually wasn’t the biggest rip off of taxpayers in the history of this country CM?

    Who is “they”? Where did they just pull numbers off a blog like you did? Cite an example?
    Where does the 200,000+ jobs come from Alex?
    The reality appears to be that very few jobs will be created, and overall the employment effect might be non-existent.

    The two states in the US with the lowest unemployment right now are both because of the oil industry. Look that up.

    AKA “Hey, look, over there!”

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  7. blameme

    What? I don’t get to do what the CBO and the Obama administration do regularly and only qoute the most beneficial numbers bandied about to make my case? WTF?

    So, rise above what “they” do and quote all the numbers. Then we don’t have to debate if the numbers are real – they are what they are.

    This is what I am talking about – let’s not do what the politicians do. Let’s be completely open and transparent and debate what the numbers mean instead of if they are “real” or not.

    You mean like they did with that bullshit stimulus you keep pretending actually wasn’t the biggest rip off of taxpayers in the history of this country CM?

    Opinion. And I disagree with it. I think the “New Deal” was the biggest ripoff on the American scene by factors of 1000’s.

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  8. AlexInCT *

    Opinion. And I disagree with it. I think the “New Deal” was the biggest ripoff on the American scene by factors of 1000′s.

    You think it is a coincidence that Obama keeps trying to pretend he is like FDR, but really comes off more like the second coming of a retarded Jimmy Carter?

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