I knew this was all politics and not about solutions…

In a move that pissed me off, the congressional republicans buckled and offered the democrats $300 million in new taxes, only to have the democrats rebuff the offer, now making it all but obvious that their intent from the beginning was to have the special debt-reduction committee, which has two weeks left, fail for political reasons.

Congressional Republicans have for the first time retreated from their hard-line stance against new taxes, offering to raise federal tax collections by nearly $300 billion over the next decade as part of a plan to tame the national debt.

But Democrats rejected the offer Tuesday — along with the notion that Republicans had made a significant concession that could end the long-standing political impasse — leaving a special debt-reduction committee far from compromise with less than two weeks until its Thanksgiving deadline.

Democrats said the tax increases in the GOP offer would be dwarfed by major new tax cuts for the nation’s wealthiest households, including a reduction in the top income tax rate from 35 percent to 28 percent.

“They’re anxious to promote a certain concept with all of you,” Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), one of the negotiators, told reporters. “I’ll be very clear that whatever they put there doesn’t get the job done.”

Oh, sure the democrats, whom have made it very clear that they want to get a minimum of one to one ratio on new taxes, or as the propaganda machine calls it, new revenue, are demanding a dollar in new taxes for each dollar in cuts – that way big government stays big, and they can keep buying votes – and blame the fact republicans will not acquiesce for their thumbs down. But lets be honest here and point out that any kind of deal would be turned down by the democrats, because if they make one Obama loses his most potent weapons – the “Do Nothing Congress” accusations that pretend republicans also control the Senate and not Harry Reid, whom has blocked everything the House has send him – and that’s not gonna happen. The republicans seem to know this.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) fired back that Republicans are “working diligently to get a solution” and accused Democrats of trying to block a deal. McConnell said he suspected that “the folks down at the White House are pulling for failure because, you see, if the joint committee succeeds, it steps on the story line that they’ve been peddling, which is that you can’t do anything with the Republicans in Congress.”

Right on Mitch. And the democrats continue to ask for what they know the republicans can and should never give them.

Members of the supercommittee had planned to continue talking Tuesday afternoon, but a bipartisan meeting was abruptly canceled, and neither side appeared optimistic about the prospects for a breakthrough. “I have yet to see a real, credible plan that raises revenue in a significant way to bring us to a fair, balanced proposal,” Sen. Patty Murray (Wash.), the Democratic co-chairman of the panel, told reporters.

These request for insane tax hikes, in fact, as far as I am concerned for any tax hikes that isn’t one where the 47% that today doesn’t pay any taxes now have to pay them too, need to be DOA. And that’s because these “cuts” all come in a decade, long after Team Obama is gone, while the taxes happen yesterday. That’s basically a guarantee that the nanny-staters will keep spending like they are doing now, racking up the deficit to grow the collectivist dependant base they depend on for votes, then the cuts never happen. Fuck that. That’s why this:

Late Monday, some GOP supercommittee members finally crossed the anti-tax line that their leaders had drawn in the sand. In a meeting that dragged on nearly to midnight, Sens. Patrick J. Toomey (Pa.) and Rob Portman (Ohio) and Reps. Dave Camp and Fred Upton, both of Michigan, presented a new proposal to Democrats Kerry, Sen. Max Baucus (Mont.) and Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.).

Pisses me off. If they give into them now, the commiecrats will just keep saying no until they either get the ridiculous 1 for 1 option they want, which to put things into perspective means they want $1 trillion in taxes now for the promise of a $1 trillion cut 10 years from now, or they will kill the thing, and give Obama his campaign bumper sticker. The fact that the do nothing congress is courtesy of Harry Reid will never be mentioned by the LSM.

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  1. Hal_10000

    This would be a massive tax cut, Alex. The deal would extend all of he Bush tax cuts except for $300 billion, adding $3.4 trillion in debt to the current baseline. Again, if no deal is reached, taxes will go up $3.7 trillion without anyone doing anything.

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  2. Seattle Outcast

    Well, it had that blithering idiot Senator Patty Murray from Washington on it, so this outcome was obvious from the very start.

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  3. AlexInCT *

    Exactly. We keep getting told that this stuff isn’t new taxes. It is. The problem right now is that the left wants to tax and spend and that has to stop. Government needs to learn to live with about 1/2 or less of what it spends now, immediately, not 10 years from now, and after that we can talk about new revenue to ONLY pay off debt. Fuck them otherwise.

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  4. Aussiesmurf

    The United States government generally distributes its revenue as follows :

    Medicare, Medicaid and similiar expenses : 33%
    Discretionary Spending : 18%
    Military spending : 20%
    Social Security : 20% (although arguably this should be separate, due to the legislative separation of Social Security funding and expenditure).
    Interest on debt : 8%.

    How would you cut this expenditure in half immediately? Bear in mind that if you ‘abolish’ Social Security, you would presumably also abolish Social Security taxes, making no effective difference to the bottom line.

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  5. Seattle Outcast

    Looks like you laid it out for us.

    End the wars – that should cut a big fucking chunk out of the military budget, and end some of our more questionable weapons programs and obsolete/mothball some really old fucking equipment (B-52 bombers for instance). We really need to stop sending troops all over the fucking place to fight other people’s wars, and drop a nuke or two to make our point when needed.

    Revamp Medicare, Medicaid, etc to both limit participation and fraud.

    Eliminate the FDA, BATF, DOE, Homeland Security, NEA and other government programs/departments of extremely questionable value.

    Start weaning people off social security – it was a fraud from the beginning, and quite honestly, nobody expects to collect a fucking dime from it in 20 years. And for good reason, everybody and their dog is at the teat demanding payout, even if they haven’t put a dime in.

    Quite simply, the government tries to do too much, and what it does do it tends to do very poorly and pays several times too much in the process. Less = More

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  6. balthazar

    WTF! How is keeping the CURRENT tax rates a tax cut. I hate that. The government already pulls in almost the highest amount compared ti GDP in taxes why the fuck do they need more? Cutting rates and eliminating tax loopholes is a proven way to increase tax revenue from those that game the system.

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  7. TxAg94

    So where do we put all the troops to work when we bring them all home? How about the support people in private industry who do an awful lot of the heavy lifting overseas? How about the defense contractors here at home when we no longer need beans, bullets, armored Humvees, etc.?

    I know how that sounds and believe me, I wish we could do just that, bring them all home. But looking at it purely from the perspective of economic impact, it would compound our problems greatly. We doubled our defense spending in the last 10 years (not counting pure spending on wars) and now I don’t know how we pull back from that without crippling our economy further.

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  8. Xetrov

    So where do we put all the troops to work when we bring them all home?

    Put them on the Southern and Northern border. Let them protect our country for a change.

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  9. Seattle Outcast

    Those are all short term questions that history has shown aren’t real problems in the long run.

    Quite honestly, I’m surprised you played that card; the problem isn’t what will happen to all of those over-priced Keynesian jobs, it’s that there are too many of them to begin with.

    Washington just passed an initiative that boots the state government out of the liquor business. The WSLCB immediately began whining that 900 state employees were going to be out of work. Boo-fucking-hoo. Privatized sale of liquor will easily create more jobs than that, and I’m sure that finding another job as a store clerk won’t be exceptionally hard.

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