Liberal logic on display

You simply can not beat these idiots and what they spout. Check out Janeane Garofalo’s latest “republicans are all racists” rant. That video is priceless, but here is the gist of it:

Janeane Garofalo: “Herman Cain is probably well liked by some of the Republicans because it hides the racist elements of the Republican party. Conservative movement and tea party movement, one in the same.

“People like Karl Rove liked to keep the racism very covert. And so Herman Cain provides this great opportunity say you can say ‘Look, this is not a racist, anti-immigrant, anti-female, anti-gay movement. Look we have a black man.'”

Herman Cain is doing well now, and is certainly not seeing an uptick in approval, based on what he has stated he believes in and has said – and what he has said makes it very obvious Cain doesn’t buy into any of the destructive “social justice” nonsense the left preaches and Garofalo so loves – but because closet racists want to pretend they are not really racist! TADA! I can begin to point out the fact that it has been my experience that it always seems to be the left that is projecting motive on the other side based on their own actions, insecurities, and beliefs, but it would do no good. Leftists simply lack the sophistication to grasp how obvious that has now become, precisely because of what people like Garofalo have been doing and saying, but all we have to do is point at the current occupant of the WH to validate that the problem is with them.

He certainly didn’t win the WH based on his body of work. The guy combines inexperience – community organizer, a brief stint in the deepest bowels of leftist academia, and a short stint in political office with nothing to show for might seem like much to leftoids, but to me is screams of disaster waiting to happen – with a heavy dose of narcissism. He won because the leftard dominated media covered for him, and because of the successful 8 year long campaign to demonize Bush resulted enough people wrongly hoping for a change. We now have that change he promised, and unlike the people that are surprised things are worse for us now than they where in 2008, I am not. We got exactly that evil shit that always comes if you put into practice what the pseudo-Marxist academic intellectuals, “class warfare” warriors, “social justice” pimps, and big government aristocrats believe in. Fuck, they gave this moron a Nobel Peace Prize for just not being Bush! His picture needs to be put in the dictionary next to the definition of “empty suit”. And it is not a coincidence that the left has defended the yoke they have straddled us with by accusing anyone that dared point any of this out of doing so because they are a racist!

But there is no denying that many on the left voted for Obama, despite the obvious lack of experience or the crazy beliefs, over a far better qualified candidate, even if she held many of his same stupid beliefs, because then they would be able to claim the where not racists. Now along comes a black conservative and conservatives like him, so these leftists project their bullshit right on them. No, republicans don’t like Cain because of his views and what he promises to do. No way! They like him because they are closet racists trying to pretend they are not by saying they like him. Heh! Project much?

Nothing has done more to finally break the power this accusation used to have to silence people with decent and good arguments for fear of stigma, deserved or not, like the left overplaying the race card. And the more the do it, especially when projecting their own faults like this, the less power it has. Keep it up sister! Project away…

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  1. Seattle Outcast

    This is simple to understand.

    In the libtard mind non-libtards are racists by definition. Therefore, anything a non-libtard does that isn’t racist is deliberately designed to conceal that racism.

    And you are right, libtards are extremely racist by their own actions, but can’t see it.

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  2. CzarChasm

    Right, we keep our racism “covert,” unlike the overt racism of the left in the form of government-dependency programs that have led to 70% of the babies born in the black community being born to single mothers. The overt racism of the left that has led to 50% unemployment rates for black teenagers. The overt racism of the left, an outgrowth of the literally genocidal, eugenicist, early 20th Century leftist ideology, that led to the upper-30-percentile range of abortions performed in this country being on black females, even though their numbers represent only about 12% – 13% of the population. The overt racism of leftist abortocrats naming one of its most prestigious awards after Margaret Sanger, a committed eugenicist whose proposals for racial engineering would’ve made Hitler blush.

    Jeanine Garofalo couldn’t document a single instance of Tea-Party-supported racism if her worthless life depended on it. The reason is simple enough, no such documentation exists. This racism meme coming from the left is nothing more than an election-year tactic. The only reason the meme gets any traction at all is because so many Americans have submitted to the easy-way-out of accepting sound bites in place of thoughtful, intelligent political scrutiny. As unimportant, insignificant and inconsequential as Jeanine Garofalo is to anything, her opinions here unfortunately reflect the intellectual laziness of all too many such Americans.

    CC

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  3. Seattle Outcast

    Expecting people to succeed/fail on their own merit/efforts is obviously racist, where just fucking giving somebody a job/promotion/education due to having the correct skin color/last name isn’t…

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  4. Tripper

    Minor point here.
    She says “some Republicans”, not “all” as the OP suggests.
    It’s not totally clear what she means by “Some” though, I originally took it as “some of Cain’s supporters” (the vast majority of which I presume, perhaps wrongly, to be Republican)
    It is possible that she means all of Cain’s supporters, a group which constitutes only ‘some Republicans”
    Either way, while the claim may be stupid, it’s not a suggestion that all Republicans, or even All Tea Partiers, are racist.

    I actually think that ‘some’ (not all or most) people who voted for Obama have prejudices against African Americans, but either would like to not appear that way to others, or maybe even don’t wish to believe that of themselves. Thus, voting for a black man is a way of proving to themselves or others that they are not racist, while they may still have an issue if their daughter started dating a black man.
    I could certainly see the same being true of some (not all or most) of Cain’s supporters.

    The only reason the meme gets any traction at all is because so many Americans have submitted to the easy-way-out of accepting sound bites in place of thoughtful, intelligent political scrutiny.

    So true.

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  5. CM

    She says “some Republicans”, not “all” as the OP suggests.

    Welcome to Right Thinking. It’s part of the genetic make-up.

    But possibly the funniest thing I’ve read all week is Alex being offended that those that think differently to him would ascribe motive to him and his bedfellows. Based partly on insecurities and beliefs. You cannot invent that.

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  6. Section8

    Welcome to Right Thinking. It’s part of the genetic make-up.

    Alex also used the world latest, would would imply that she’s made dumb ass statements before like the one below.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2009/0417/janeane-garafalo-says-tea-parties-were-for-rednecks

    but you being an ideologue for the left wouldn’t bother to even condemn this statement or see what he meant by latest, which is perfectly fine, but please stop pretending you’re above it all.

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  7. Poosh

    Yeah shame on you Alex for getting angry when a celebrity says you and bunch your fellow-travelers, and your friends by extension, are racists who only like Cain cause it somehow makes them hide their inherent racism. Shame on you, such an ideologue! It’s all part of the right-wing make up, getting angry when someone calls you a racist!

    You know the KKK were a semi-military wing of the DEMOCRAT party who targeted blacks and REPUBLICANS for violence. But Republicans never hold that against the Democrats.Even when it’s the Democrat party that has an existing ex-KKK member.

    Real racists would not stand to be seen or associated with people of the colour that inspires their racism. Liberals like Garofalo have no idea what actual racism is, or the history of her own party.

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  8. BuddyFawkes

    “He won because the leftard dominated media covered for him, and because of the successful 8 year long campaign to demonize Bush resulted enough people wrongly hoping for a change.”

    In all fairness, that’s pretty disingenuous, Bush did a fairly good job of demonizing himself. Even aside from his lovable verbal foibles, his behaviour in so many instances was truly dispicable(ex. air guitar after Katrina, refusal to visit New Orleans, etc.)

    But you’re right about Obama’s poor of talk:walk ratio, when is Guantanamo getting closed anyway?
    No matter, his Nobel Peace Prize for Public Speaking will probably secure him another term in the Oval Office.

    With all that said, it seems that it’s not so much the Red or Blue Party that’s broken, as much as your fine political system, because I couldn’t imagine Jesus Christ himself would be able to change much if he was in the WH. He’s have to many lobbyists in his ear to hear what the people want.

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  9. AlexInCT *

    She says “some Republicans”, not “all” as the OP suggests.
    It’s not totally clear what she means by “Some” though, I originally took it as “some of Cain’s supporters” (the vast majority of which I presume, perhaps wrongly, to be Republican)
    It is possible that she means all of Cain’s supporters, a group which constitutes only ‘some Republicans”
    Either way, while the claim may be stupid, it’s not a suggestion that all Republicans, or even All Tea Partiers, are racist.

    When a liberal says “some republicans are racists” it impliess all are racists, or if not that directly, that all republicans are guilty by association of racism anyway, it’s just semantics, because good people are democrats. That’s her point. It’s a lose-lose for republicans. Don’t waste time trying to parse the nonsense.

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  10. AlexInCT *

    Welcome to Right Thinking. It’s part of the genetic make-up.

    See my reply above CM. Garofalo is such a scumbag that even if she is careful of saying “some” she implies all are guilty by association anyway. The point is that she is basically discrediting all, regardless of the truth, by basically impugning repbulcians in general for being a party of closet racists. I know for a fact that many democrats are far more racist than they project republicans to be in their wildest dreams. That’s wy I laugh at them when they accuse “somre republicans” of being racist and then imply all republicans ned to do is switch and become demcorats, to be on the right side.

    You fail again.

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  11. AlexInCT *

    In all fairness, that’s pretty disingenuous, Bush did a fairly good job of demonizing himself.

    If the LSM had given Bush the same treatment they are giving Obama, Bush would have gone down as one of the great presidents despite the fact many of us felt his domestic policies, especially the spending, was mediocre at best, and likely bad.

    Even aside from his lovable verbal foibles, his behaviour in so many instances was truly dispicable(ex. air guitar after Katrina, refusal to visit New Orleans, etc.)

    Fuck I hate to again have to defend Bush, but this is just plain fucking ridiculous bullshit. Democrats – including Obama and that genius Biden – have said much dumber things and far more often, and yet, most people have NEVER heard them because the media simply ignored the stupidity. And fuck Katrina.

    If you are followed around 24/7 by people that are looking for a “gotcha” moment, even willing to make them up, you are going to have a hard time not coming of as a dumbass. Just like you can hide the fact you are a total dumbass if you have people covering up for you like the LSM does. So please, drop the “Bush said dumb things” meme, it is disingenuous.

    And fuck Katrina. That freak show was a media staged event to make the guy look bad. The real culprits, that asshole Nagin that refused to evacuate, and the whole democrat machine in LA showed us how inept and broken anything dominated by the left really is. Instead of that being the news, the LSM conducted a brilliant disinformation campaign to blame Bush, as if the problem isn’t the inefficiency and lack of effectiveness of their so adored big government itself, to begin with.

    Did you forget the massive slew of assholes on the left blaming Bush – as if he had a secret weapon to pull it off, like he did the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon on 9-11 I bet, nobody but they knew off – for making Katrina go after the poor black people of NO in the first place, because like Garofalo points out, all those republicans are vile racists and want to kill blacks.

    With all that said, it seems that it’s not so much the Red or Blue Party that’s broken, as much as your fine political system, because I couldn’t imagine Jesus Christ himself would be able to change much if he was in the WH. He’s have to many lobbyists in his ear to hear what the people want.

    That first amendment thing is a bitch, isn’t it? The problem has never been the lobbyists BTW. It has been the politicians that have figured out they can cash in bigtime by doing what the lobbyists want in such a way that it grows government and their power first and foremost. Besides, if you go by what the left tells us the second coming of Jesus Christ is ALREADY in the WH…

    But you’re right about Obama’s poor of talk:walk ratio, when is Guantanamo getting closed anyway?

    Don’t forget his adoption and expansion of all those Bush policies people on the left “hate” so much, including starting a bunch of other wars, erm I mean kinetic actions. And what about killings without trials – remember how they told us Bush was evil for proposing that but these days do nothing but offer cheap lip service when Obama actually does it: smile Al-Awlaki! – that so pissed of the elightened? The list goes on and on.

    No matter, his Nobel Peace Prize for Public Speaking will probably secure him another term in the Oval Office.

    If that happens, the people that elected him deserve all they are getting and more. At least there is some modicum of justice in the universe. Anwyay, I think it is now obvious “talking” isn’t going to buy him a new election. As the CBC pointed out: they would be taking pitchforks, tar, feathers, and torches to the WH if Obama was a honkey. But I do feel for those that know better and also are suffering because of these idiots.

    My guess is Obama is toast, but the commies can keep dreaming.

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  12. Poosh

    “He won because the leftard dominated media covered for him, and because of the successful 8 year long campaign to demonize Bush resulted enough people wrongly hoping for a change.”

    In all fairness, that’s pretty disingenuous, Bush did a fairly good job of demonizing himself.

    I think this is the perfect example of just how well the leftist dominated media have manipulated people and ingrained their fictional version of Bush into so much of the population (internationally as well). The fact that people have been completely brainwashed (and told they are “free thinking!” for being brainwashed) goes to show how power full a media and leftist entertainment culture can be.

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  13. Hal_10000

    Garbage, Alex. The leftitard media did not bungle Iraq and Afghanistan. The leftitard media did not blow up spending and support a huge housing bubble. The leftitard media had nothing to do with the recession. Massive spending, K-street project, sticking with Rumsfeld — this all was Bush’s doing. He chose to do these thing.

    Ronald Reagan got it worse from the media and there was no Fox News or Rush Limbaugh to defend him. Media-wise, things are so much better than they were 20 years ago. This whining about the media is just ridiculous and sad. It’s excuse-making.

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  14. Hal_10000

    And to defend Bush’ record on Katrina is just to dive into a vat of koolaid. He’s the one who appointed Mike Brown. He’s the one who first statement was to appear with a former segregationist and joke about how he couldn’t wait for his mansion to be rebuilt. He’s the one who spent days dithering about whether Louisiana was going to move before he took over. Nagin and the Democrats deserve a lot of blame, yes. But the idea that Bush is blameless for what happened is ridiculous.

    This is the thing that’s driving me nuts about the current movement calling itself conservative. they’re never responsible for anything! It’s the media’s fault. It’s the Democrats fault. It’s Barney Frank’s fault. It’s Ben Bernanke’s fault. They never bear any blame for anything.

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  15. Poosh

    Think that pretty much proved Alex’s point but anyway

    Media-wise, things are so much better than they were 20 years ago.

    I think you and ALL conservatives, every single one of you, needs to wake up and look at what date it is. This is a MASSIVE blind spot that rightwingers have. They just don’t understand how powerful modern media – entertainment media ESPECIALLY – have in shaping and telling people what to think. Most people don’t get their news from blogs or ANY news at all. Most people do no read a newspaper or watch a TV news network. Any views they have they will get from friends etc and the immediate sources of “facts” they watch regularly i.e movies and entertainment shows. If you think when Morgan Freeman calls the tea-party racist, that’s irrelevant, you’re mistaken. If you think Glee putting snide remarks against republicans in every other episode doesn’t stick to its viewers, you’re sadly mistaken. If you think when a university professor as-a-matter-of-fact tells his students Republicans are stupid, they don’t pay attention, you’re mistaken (IF they don’t have a political identity already forms, or are trained in rationality/logic, which most do not/are not)

    Conservatives have consistently failed to understand how much raw power there is out there being directed against them.

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  16. richtaylor365

    Conservatives have consistently failed to understand how much raw power there is out there being directed against them.

    They understand, seeing examples of it every single day, how could they not?

    Media-wise, things are so much better than they were 20 years ago.

    That needs to be fleshed out a bit. In R.R.’s day the networks could be counted on to report the news. How many people watched (and trusted) Cronkite? Most people back then got their news either from the networks or newspapers, look at both today, very few viewers even bother with the network news programs because they can’t be trusted to deliver the news without their own biases attached. Same with newspapers, why do you think all the big newspapers are bleeding money, very few people read their papers anymore, readership is down. Sure, the publishers will tell you that they can’t compete with the timeliness of the internet, that is true to a degree, but a lot of it has to do with them straying from their task, inculcating their news with commentary and opinion, that and only reporting some news stories, depending on what they think is news worthy.

    Yes, we have more sources now to get our news, but 20 years ago the sources that were available held themselves to a standard that is nonexistent today, so either folks go to a source they can trust, or don’t bother at all.

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  17. Hal_10000

    How many people watched (and trusted) Cronkite?

    A lot of people blame Cronkite, a little bit, for losing Vietnam. His coverage of the Tet Offensive was so slanted people don’t know today that North Vietnam lost the Tet Offensive and lost badly.

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  18. CzarChasm

    ….Bush did a fairly good job of demonizing himself. Even aside from his lovable verbal foibles, his behaviour in so many instances was truly dispicable(ex. air guitar after Katrina, refusal to visit New Orleans, etc.)

    It’s always kind of weird for me to read criticisms of Bush or anyone else where Katrina’s concerned. I didn’t see any coverage of it for the first 10 days as I jumped on a bus with about 50 other people and headed South to see where we could help. We didn’t make it quite as far as NOLA, spending that first stint in the Biloxi, MS area, but I do think I can speak first-hand to the conditions, and whether or not the criticism I put in bold above is valid. It isn’t.

    Picture this: Every available helicopter for a hundred+ mile radius is in the air performing rescues. In Biloxi, that particular part of the disaster was over in the third or fourth day, but NOLA was much worse, deeper water and nowhere for it to go. As I understand it, it was 7 or 8 days before the skies weren’t dotted with choppers all during daylight hours.

    Now picture the POTUS wanting to come in to either area while that operation was going on. Clear the air-space General, we’re comin’ in. Oh, and have a few Blackhawks ready for me and the press so we get some of those Pulitzer Prize-winning still shots with me hangin’ out the open door looking all concerned and horrified at what I’m seeing, and the sun shining just right to reflect off that tear in my eye. This is gonna be great!

    Point is, there was nothing constructive Bush either was going to do, or more to the point, could’ve done as long as the rescue effort was still underway. He did eventually land in Biloxi. I don’t remember which day it was, but no one who was actually working paid him any mind. We saw the crowd from maybe half a mile away. Shrugged our shoulders and went back to work. The choppers had pretty much completed their work there, but not in NOLA. Whether it was planned or not, and it wouldn’t surprise me if it wasn’t, Bush did the stranded a huge favor by not going to NOLA. There is no way the choppers would’ve been allowed to stay in the air if he was taking a helicopter tour of the area. Probably not even just for Air Force One landing in the area.

    I’m not a Bush fan myself. Not a basher exactly, but not a fan either. Perhaps you’ll take a first-hand perspective as valid, perhaps you won’t. If you don’t though, I think it’s fair to say you are a basher.

    He’s the one who spent days dithering about whether Louisiana was going to move before he took over.

    As I recall, Bush ordered Brown to have an emergency declaration all prepared in anticipation of Blanco’s request for federal disaster relief, but the request didn’t come for some days after the storm. My understanding is that the way the FEMA relief efforts are triggered is dependent on that request from the state. If my recollection is correct on that score, then it was Blanco who dithered, not Bush.

    This is the thing that’s driving me nuts about the current movement calling itself conservative. they’re never responsible for anything! It’s the media’s fault. It’s the Democrats fault. It’s Barney Frank’s fault. It’s Ben Bernanke’s fault. They never bear any blame for anything.

    Well, I call myself conservative. Not sure how blaming Bernanke, or the underlying unconstitutional and wholly imprudent Federal Reserve, for the deleterious effects on the economy that every single founder warned us would come if we instituted a central banking system is avoiding responsibility. In that regard, we’re trying to get the citizenry to understand, accept and eventually fully re-embrace our founding principles. We’re doing what we can to fix the problem. People like you are addicted to the problem and avoid supporting anyone even acknowledging that there is one.

    I’m a conservative, and I don’t like Barney Frank at all, but I level blame at Republicans as much as Democrats for the ills our country is suffering under. It’s why I don’t want another McCain in the form of a Romney. It’s why I’m not a fan of Bush. It’s why I’m not a fan of Lincoln either. None of them could be/can be counted upon to adhere to the Constitution, which is the foundational conviction for those of us who “call themselves conservatives.”

    I’m a conservative, and I don’t like the media being as leftist as it is, but I blame We, The People for the state of the nation, not the media.

    Being a committed conservative, I don’t wait for Bush or Brown or Nagin or Blanco to act before I figure out a way to pitch in and help. If government is the only valid answer to whatever question one asks, then the country is already screwed beyond repair. I wonder if you out-of-region commentators have a clue how badly hit the Biloxi area was. I guess there was some news about it, but not nearly as much as NOLA. The difference is presumably the degree of the dire nature of the emergency in the two areas, but I think the emergency was highly exacerbated in NOLA due to the gross incompetence and unpreparedness by city and state leaders there as compared to to just 100 miles East in Biloxi. The dependency on government in NOLA was much, much higher than in Biloxi. I could tell you a couple of salient stories about how we were greeted in Biloxi vs. right across the inlet in a poverty-ridden, government-dependent part of the state. In short, it was helpful, grateful and quite well-organized in the former, and scary, threatening and chaotic in the latter. Was it just the right/left nature of the two areas? Hell, I don’t know for sure, but if I had to guess, I’d say yeah. When the government is what sustains you, and you find yourself starving and without fresh water and shelter, and see a bus and a couple of trucks there with Red Cross and other organization’s logos on them, you may well think the government has shown up to do what it’s always done; feed and shelter you, and dammit, what the Hell took you so long!!??

    Anyway, “people who call themselves conservative” that I know just go and do what a good citizen does. They don’t blame as much as they hold appropriate people/institutions accountable. But during Katrina’s aftermath, we had neither the time nor the inclination to do either.

    What do you call yourself, Hal, and what do you do in furtherance of its foundations?

    CC

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  19. AlexInCT *

    Stop looking in the mirror when you respond to me. BTW, I was not alone in making fun of your stupid, but you seem unable to grasp that.

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  20. AlexInCT *

    Garbage, Alex. The leftitard media did not bungle Iraq and Afghanistan.

    No Hal, they didn’t. They just did their best to try and help the demcorats make us lose that. Speaking of which, why are they not as aggressive in their reporting these days, huh? I am glad that you are sharing your massive military experience and knowledge with us rubes by pointing out how Bush bungled Iraq and Afghanistan. After all, we all know wars have to be fought like video games. Nothing ever goes wrong or not as expected, and if even one civilian or soldier dies, it is an abject failure.

    The leftitard media did not blow up spending and support a huge housing bubble.

    Actually I think I need to educate you a bit here. As I recall it, they went along with Frank when he accused Bush of being a racist for pointing out that bubble was gonna burst and action needed to be taken to better understand what Fannie & Freddie where doing.

    The leftitard media had nothing to do with the recession.

    HAH! Neither did Bush. And that LSM was all batshit about how bad things where we had 4% unemployment and the economy was flying, despite of Bush. Contrast it to how they report the bad news – it is always unexpected and not so bad – when we are have unemployment and underemployment at around 20% and the economy shows as much life as a 3 week old corpse. Then pretend you have a case to make.

    Massive spending,

    Right, and now they are making excuses for the guy that – if you ignore Congress does the spending – spent as much as we had during the 8 years of Bush, only he did it in 2 and is on the way to set double the debt we got from Bush. By all logical definitions, this makes Bush a genius compared to these assholes, but people like you seem hell bent on pretending otherwise.

    K-street project,

    These days we have Solyndra, Gunrunner, and much worse, and he LSM and you are both still pretending Bush was the evil and dumb one.

    sticking with Rumsfeld

    Ain’t hindsight a bitch? BTW, Bush was also the guy that picked Patraeus who led the surge the democrats and the media declared a loss and dead before it happened. Yeah, that same media you are now sucking dick for.

    — this all was Bush’s doing. He chose to do these thing.

    So what? The guy in the WH now has done far worse. Why is he not getting the same treatment? Or is that point hard for you to grasp?

    Ronald Reagan got it worse from the media and there was no Fox News or Rush Limbaugh to defend him.

    That’s because Reagan had the gift of communication and what he said resonated with the American people because enough of us knew the truth back then when we heard it. Is your point that since Bush was not a great communicator he was thus bad?

    Fuck, the last two democrat presidents have both been great used car salesmen, but both have been absolute scumbags. At least Clinton got to ride the gravy train courtesy of a republican controlled congress that dragged his ass kicking & screaming into doing some things right. The current Marxist-in-chief is so married to this bullshit and stupid that everything he does turns to shit. The man has the reverse Midas touch. By comparison he makes Bush look like a fucking genius.

    Media-wise, things are so much better than they were 20 years ago.

    Put the crack pipe down man. Your brain seems to have become addled. Or are you cracking a joke? Because the sarcasm/humor escapes me.

    This whining about the media is just ridiculous and sad. It’s excuse-making.

    I wouldn’t have to do this if there wasn’t such a blatant double standard and the media wasn’t so blatantly hyper partisan. But your defense of them does validate my belief that you have something stuck up your ass when it comes to Bush.

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  21. AlexInCT *

    And to defend Bush’ record on Katrina is just to dive into a vat of koolaid.

    Really? As opposed to the left’s belief that Bush send Katrina to kill black people in NO? Got it.

    He’s the one who appointed Mike Brown.

    Where did I defend Brown? Maybe you suffer from reading comprehension, but what I pointed out was that that same media you are making excuses for pretended all the blame was on FEMA and that nobody in LA, they where all demcorats, had any fault in this. Maybe you need to revisit the facts. They had as much damage in the neighboring state of LA, and there they had none of the issues they had in LA with FEMA. And it is quite funny that we never, ever, hear the media complaining about FEMA’s ability or response to any of the hurricanes that hit elsewhere.

    He’s the one who first statement was to appear with a former segregationist and joke about how he couldn’t wait for his mansion to be rebuilt.

    I think Biden has said far worse, and he still is the VP. What the fuck is your point?

    He’s the one who spent days dithering about whether Louisiana was going to move before he took over.

    What a fucking pile of shit. He was waiting for the governor of LA to ask for help. Maybe you lack comprehension of how the shit works, but FEMA is NOT allowed to just up and move in without being asked to come. And that request didn’t come until days AFTER Katrina hit. For Christ’s sake the fucking idiots didn’t even evacuate NO! You find no problem with the bullshit that contradicts the facts or fault at all that makes all the hoopla about Brown and FEMA look like nothing but a determined and deliberate campaign to make the guy look bad? Don’t answer. Your bias is fucking blatant.

    Nagin and the Democrats deserve a lot of blame, yes. But the idea that Bush is blameless for what happened is ridiculous.

    WTF? Seriously? So can I blame Obama because it took them a week of fucking time to get power back to my house after Irene? After all, by your fucking idiotic logic, it is always the guy on top’s fault, right? Or is that just for Bush, and then when it is something you can paint the guy negatively with? If anything Bush’s fault was for not going on camera and tearing the assholes trying to lay all the blame at his feet a new one.

    This is the thing that’s driving me nuts about the current movement calling itself conservative.

    WTF does pointing out that the “Bush is stupid” meme was a fabrication and refuting it have to do with the fact that he was a big government guy and not really that conservative to begin with? And I had a hearty laugh that your self appointed role as the arbiter of who or what is conservative. Your continued attempt to justify the left’s hunger for massive tax increases to keep the fucking beast alive make you the last person that should be judging others conservative creds.

    they’re never responsible for anything!

    Oh, now you are just being an ass. Why the fuck should “conservatives” take responsibility for something that they didn’t do or isn’t their fault? Especially from the people that caused the problems in the first fucking place. Methinks the problem is with you and your expectations.

    It’s the media’s fault. It’s the Democrats fault. It’s Barney Frank’s fault. It’s Ben Bernanke’s fault. They never bear any blame for anything.

    So you have a problem with pointing out that they are falsely being accused of something? I wish you applied the same “righteous anger” to the left. Whatever your peseonal peeve with Bush is, it is coloring your ability to be unbiased. I have repeatedly pointed out that Bush was no conservative and that he was a so-so president. You on the otherhand seem heel bent in perpetuating all the lies from the left about him, and then just because you are pissed that Obama came in and validated everything you said Bush was wrong on by doing more of the same, or even doubled down and did far more than Bush did. The problem is with you, not conservatives.

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  22. AlexInCT *

    A lot of people blame Cronkite, a little bit, for losing Vietnam. His coverage of the Tet Offensive was so slanted people don’t know today that North Vietnam lost the Tet Offensive and lost badly.

    You ain’t going to find many on the elft that see this as a negative at all.

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    You are wasting your time CzarChasm. When it comes to Bush Hal loses all objectivity and ability to reason. Hal’s problem with Bush is deep. I am starting to suspect that Hal really hates the guy because Obama doubled down on what Bush did making Hal and all the “righteous anger” about Iraq, Gitmo, enhanced interrogation, military tribunals, and even the killing of bin Laden or Awlaki, without that trial ha demanded, in the end look silly and misdirected. He hears Bush and his eyes go red. It’s why he thinks it’s all Bush’s fault, the LSM is just being the LSM, and conservatives are outright dishonest & childish for not letting the left set the narrative in this case, because he insanely hates Bush. Nothing else makes sense to me.

    Shit, I have repeatedly pointed out that I thought Bush was neither a conservative nor a great president, but that the lies about how bad, stupid, or unengaged he was are just that, lies, and should not be allowed to stand. Especially since the current moron-in-chief makes him look like a fucking genius but still gets treated as the second coming, with everyone that dares point out he is an empty suit, being accused of doing so because they are racists. Yet ever fucking time Hal, feels he must come defend left’s lies.

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  24. CzarChasm

    I have seen what you’re describing about Hal in limited instances. I don’t have a history with him though (that I’m aware of), so the things he says that really piss you off, just kinda strike me as easily-countered, even though you and I are in total agreement on the issues surrounding Katrina, Bush and the various derangement syndromes and biases that prohibit objectivity.

    I wish everyone in America could’ve spent just one of the first couple or three days helping out anywhere in the affected areas. When you approach a disaster area so completely devastated as Katrina left tens of thousands of square miles, you figure out pretty quick that the most government can do is lend support, but it will ultimately be the people who stay for the duration that determine whether or not those areas will recover. It would be fairly easy for me to get pissed off at people who bitch and moan about the government’s deficiencies in the aftermath of Katrina. I know first-hand that the people down there could’ve used their backs, sweat and blood in helping their fellow man, rather than the hollow, empty, and largely unfair and untrue rants against the government for not covering for the failures of the local officials. And everyone who knows me can tell you that I never defend the government! It comes completely unnatural to me, but in the case of Katrina, I am just callin’ ‘em like I saw ‘em up close and personal.

    Anyway, Hal can rant about Bush’s response to Katrina all he wants as far as I’m concerned. I’d still like him to answer my question though. What do you call yourself, Hal, and what do you do in furtherance of its foundations? Hopefully it’s more substantive and helpful than ranting on blogs.

    CC

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  25. CM

    Stop looking in the mirror when you respond to me

    What is that, a double-bluff attempt or something?
    Alex, you’re the very first to ascribe motive to ‘the other side’. You do it constantly, almost in every single post. That’s inarguable. So to hear you accusing others of doing that is just hilarious. The number of people that fail to see what is right in front of them on a daily basis makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.

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  26. Section8

    You’re confusing ‘left’ with ‘being even remotely accurate’. Again. YAWN. Woeful.

    Spoken like a true ideologue, I don’t think you could have demonstrated that any better than with that quote.

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  27. AlexInCT *

    I wish everyone in America could’ve spent just one of the first couple or three days helping out anywhere in the affected areas. When you approach a disaster area so completely devastated as Katrina left tens of thousands of square miles, you figure out pretty quick that the most government can do is lend support, but it will ultimately be the people who stay for the duration that determine whether or not those areas will recover.

    GIVE THE MAN A CIGAR!

    We just had the same with Irene up here. I helped my neighbors and they helped me. We understood that despite all the talk from all our nice democrat representatives about how they where “on it” and how government was going to help, that the only help that would show up in time was from us helping ourselves and our neighbors, with the electric company being the one that would eventually get power to us.

    I attended a UConn football game recently where I sat in the same section that a whole bunch of these CLP/NEU workers where getting drunk and enjoying a game, and without a doubt every single one of them told me that they could have done much, much better if the fucking assholes in government had left them to do their jobs instead of putting pressure on them to do the affected areas where THEY lived first. To appease politicians throwing around their weight, they say the repairs took double as long as it needed to. I was not surprised to find that out. BTW, these are hard core unionized borderline middle class blue collar workers I was talking to, not managers, and they all felt disgusted that this was all democrats doing this shit to them. Have you heard complaint one? Or Obama being blamed by the media? Yeah, I thought so.

    Fuck, FEMA finally showed up, a week too late here, and is now handing out dribs & drabs with the usual people with their hands out being the only ones lining up to get whatever they can from them. I bet many are angry they are not getting the $2 K credit cards handed out after Katrina and the strip clubs, hookers, and happy ending massagers are all bumming they are not going to get a big boost in income from them.

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    Alex, you’re the very first to ascribe motive to ‘the other side’.

    Actually, I am just pointing out what they themselves say when they think nobody that objects to this nonsense is litening. You can call it “ascribing motive” if you want, but this comes straight from them.

    You do it constantly, almost in every single post. That’s inarguable.

    And I am right practically every time. It still has not stopped you from pretending you can keep making this fucking argument, even after you waste my and everyone elses time for days on end, only to then find out I was fucking right anyway. You just move on and pretend it never happened, then make the same tired arguement all over, only to lose it again. Shit, by now I would figure you would have become shamed into shutting up already. A for effort, F for success. Hey! That’s what the left is about.

    So to hear you accusing others of doing that is just hilarious.

    Irony escapes you when you say shit like this and mean it.

    The number of people that fail to see what is right in front of them on a daily basis makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.

    There are only a few that do. You are one of them.

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    Ok so now you’ve made it clear that you don’t even understand what I’m referring to. Good grief man!

    I don’t think you know what you are referring to.

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