Goebbles’ wet dream

That’s what this new propaganda front by some organization called “Obama for America” smacks of, to me. This stuff is some serious bullshit man. I had a good laugh at some of the nonsense being showcase as I wondered if anyone there even realized how frightening this kind of thing looked like. Seriously, this is basically a government reporting program, set up to look as if it isn’t run by those in government, so they can then use it to attack their opposition. Like the title of my post implies: this smacks of closet fascism.

So I was originally just going to leave the post at that, the implications of this whole thing was frightening enough IMO, but I decided to take a deeper dive into that cesspool. In particular I wondered WTF the whole “President Bush, not Obama sign TARP into law” deal was about. Yeah Bush signed TARP, but Pelosi’s congress – where spending originates from – is the one that took the original $300 billion proposed by the assholes in the Bush administration and raised it to $700 billion, against Bush’s wishes, daring him to then not sign it. Are you trying to absolve Obama from the fact he was one of those democrats? Maybe he was not there to vote present. What’s the point here? Who do they think said Obama signed TARP anyway? Or is the point of this idiotic thing to deflect blame from both the Pelosi congress that originated the ridiculous sum assigned to TARP and the Obama administration, which supervised much of the spending, to Bush by claiming that since he signed it, he was the one responsible? Are they trying to say that Obama buying out GM for the unions basically didn’t happen because if you need to lay blame it lies with Bush for signing TARP? I don’t get it.

Next one. And man, my bullshit meter went off on the whole marxist gun grabbing crap. Maybe they think they can fool people with shit like “President Obama believes in common sense gun control laws compatible with Second Amendment rights”, but we already know that they think “common sense gun laws” are laws that prevent everyone but the state from having guns, and they are on record stating that they also believe the second amendment rights only apply to state sanctioned militias and not the public at large. They must think people are idiots. Last I remember those that believe in the same common sense laws and interpreted the second amendment to apply to militias and not the citizens lost in that SCOTUS decision, thankfully, and the constitution prevailed. Personally I also find little common sense in laws that disarm everyone but the criminals unless the common sense is to keep the sheep from being able to fight a tyrannical government off.

Then there was the bit on how “friendly” Obama is to Israel. I believe that played out in the NY-9 election where the democrat was trounced last night in a predominantly Jewish district. If Obama was so friendly to Israel one would have to wonder why the Jewish vote was deserting him in record numbers. Obama HAS thrown Israel under the bus. No US president since Carter has been this condescending and outright hostile to Israel. Then again, Obama also pissed on the leg of British people and told them it was warm rain. He seems to have made it a habit of dissing our closest allies and kissing the ass of the vilest and most evil villains out there, so maybe one could argue he wasn’t singling out Israel for this kind of shit treatment.

I just laughed at the whole Immigration reform piece. After admitting that Team Obama is looking for some kind of amnesty program – that’s what that “smart and fair” is code for – they tried to make him look good by claiming he was however going to kick out those people that posed a risk to national security. If very few, if anybody, meets that set of criteria these goons will come up with, and thus, only some token people get deported, this will still be reported as Obama getting though on illegal immigration. The fact that others now get to stay, a clear reward for breaking the law, is ignored.

I do have to admit that I was saddened that they didn’t have a Solyndra post up. Maybe they need one claimign that porkulus bill also created all those jobs the WH claimed it did. Or that this one will be the magic bullet. Those ones would have been fun to watch. Low brow doesn’t even pass muster.

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  1. CM

    Alex you seem to have just repeated what it says on the left hand side (the accusations), and ignored what’s on the right (the rebuttal). What’s the point of doing that?

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  2. Kimpost

    Goebbles’ wet dream

    if anyone there even realized how frightening this kind of thing looked like

    Closet fascism

    I decided to take a deeper dive into that cesspool

    marxist gun grabbing crap

    those

    they

    them

    kissing the ass of the vilest and most evil villains out there

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  3. AlexInCT *

    Actually CM, I ignored no rebuttals but I corrected the idiotic bullshit.

    If you find fault in anything I said, please point it out.

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  4. AlexInCT *

    You trying to make a point Kimpost? Cause what comes across is that you felt insulted that I pointed out Obama fanatics where behaving like jackals and fascists. I did my work if that’s the case.

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  5. CM

    What’s the point here?

    1. That Obama didn’t sign it.
    2. Only $475 billion of the $700 billion initially authorised by President Bush was used.
    3. That as a GDP percentage the cost is estimated at less than 1 percent ($19 billion). Any mention of $700 billion without mentioning how much IT ACTUALLY COST is deliberately misleading.

    You seem to be confused over the figures. TARP allows the US Treasury to purchase or insure up to $700 billion of “troubled assets”, and it was estimated that it would cost the US taxpayer around $300 million (but, as pointed out, this is now down to $19 billion).

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  6. CM

    Your gun one contains nothing of substance. it’s just your opinion.

    Same with the Israel one.

    Obama HAS thrown Israel under the bus. No US president since Carter has been this condescending and outright hostile to Israel.

    According to the Obama site:

    Israel’s Defense Minister Ehud Barak said he “can hardly remember a better period of support.”

    President of Israel Shimon Peres called President Obama “a friend of the Jewish people and the State of Israel,” saying “I don’t have any doubt about it.”

    Former US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates testified that more has been done to improve the US-Israel security relationship under President Obama than at any time in his 45-year career.

    1. Are they made up quotes?
    Or
    2. Are all three lying?

    Illegals:

    Under President Obama, deportations of undocumented immigrants with criminal records have increased 70%.

    Is this wrong?

    Kimpost was simply pointing out how much of this is simply your opinion.

    Seriously, this is basically a government reporting program

    What does an actual ‘government reporting program’ look like?
    How does this differ from any other poliician rebutting what they see as inaccurate statements?

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  7. Hal_10000

    I don’t have a problem with a candidate setting up a website to respond to BS about him, especially given some of the BS that is routinely flung at Obama.

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  8. Hal_10000

    Dude, his just occurred to me. You know what we should do for fun? Flood that site with reports about the media reporting on Obama’s actual record: e.g., “Hey, CNN is reporting that poverty is at a record high!” “Hey, MSNBC is reporting record deficits”, “ABC claimed that Obama never closed Gitmo!”

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  9. Monolith

    Are they keeping records of ‘attackers?’ If so, what are they doing with the information? I read something about cookies and tracking. Is there any truth to it? Where does this go from here? Who’s to stop the WH from compiling a list and exacting some punishment? A flagged tax return here, a denied business application there, I don’t see that as a total impossibility. So to say it isn’t oppressive or alarming is head in the sand stuff no? Maybe I’m just paranoid, but oppression comes wrapped in a flag. At least, that’s what the democrats keep saying.

    And it has to be said. If Bush pulled this, the fucking left would go totally apeshit.

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  10. JimK

    Dude, his just occurred to me. You know what we should do for fun? Flood that site with reports about the media reporting on Obama’s actual record: e.g., “Hey, CNN is reporting that poverty is at a record high!” “Hey, MSNBC is reporting record deficits”, “ABC claimed that Obama never closed Gitmo!”

    THIS THIS HOLY SHIT THIS.

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  11. AlexInCT *

    You really think they would bother reading anything we provided after they dismissed the first e-mail? My bet is they would block anything you send from the same account/Ip as spam going forward.

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  12. Poosh

    Isn’t this a bit “duh”. It’s like thinking Media Matters is actually interested in truth, logic, facts and debunking myths. It’s a standard modern method of leftist propaganda, that has grown with the internet.

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  13. Poosh

    Innit, Balthazar. Bad time for the Jews with this president. At least the WH is gonna veto that bullshit UN pro-pali resolution that’s coming up. That’s something at least.

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  14. CM

    Excellent idea.
    What you’re essentially saying is that the site is used to counter stuff that’s easily countered (i.e. anything coming out of Bachmann’s mouth) but in doing so they can ignore the stuff that’s difficult.

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  15. balthazar

    no shit right. The guvment goons are royally fucking one of the most American dominated manufacturing industries. By far the best guitar manufacturers are based in the us.

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  16. Monolith

    Seriously? We’re talking about reporting people to the government for unauthorized opinions. You can spray any kind of perfume you want on it, but that’s what it is at it’s essence. I don’t buy the argument that it’s just Obama the candidate collecting this stuff and it’s totally unconnected to the government. It’s the executive branch of the US federal fucking government collecting this stuff.

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  17. AlexInCT *

    Oh, I am sure these people would love to have that be the way things were Kimpost. I have no doubt that if they could get away with it, they would do it too. Remember the commentary made by one of the members of this new aristocracy about how envious they where of how the Chinese leadership made decisions and nobody protested, or else? You might have been trying to be sarcastic, but I think the sarcasm is on you.

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  18. AlexInCT *

    I don’t buy the argument that it’s just Obama the candidate collecting this stuff and it’s totally unconnected to the government.

    Even if that’s all it was Monolith, it begs the question why? Especially since most of the explanations to dismiss the criticism are flaky, attempts to twist something negative into a positive, or outright bullshit to begin with.

    Take for example the attempt to pretend Obama is a friend of Israel. If so, then most people, including the Jews that have been monolithically democrats, must be incredibly nieve to have fallen for anyone else saying otherwise, because the WH sure as hell is in a panic about the Jewish vote. Heh. Even more fun is the other crap that the WH has been involved with getting the light of day. Funny how they want to hold their opposition to standards they wouldn’t dream to applying to themselves, huh?

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  19. CM

    Is there actually any evidence that this site is about “reporting people to the government for unauthorized opinions”? Have I missed something?

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  20. CM

    Yes, doing things like linking that statement to the belief that Obama etc would actually like to have people killed is part of your insanity.
    It’s fascinating though, so by all means please continue.

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  21. CM

    Your link says his approval rating with Jews is at 60%. Way higher than the overall approval rating. Why do Jews still approve of Obama at far higher rate than the general population? Are they stupid (you know, like poor people and black people)?

    On a more general note, why did Obama get 80% of the Jewish vote in 2008?

    From your link, with respect to New York’s Ninth Congressional District:

    While Israel emerged as a hot-button issue late in the campaign, a poll by Siena College in early September showed that other issues, like the economy and Social Security and Medicare, were viewed as much more important, even by Jewish voters. With the Republican Party swinging further to the right, analysts said, it will have trouble appealing to more liberal-minded Jewish voters on these issues.

    So perhaps not such a problem for the Dems after all. As the Republican Party goes further into loony-tunes territory, the Dems have less work to do to keep traditional voting blocks.

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  22. Kimpost

    The point is that your ridiculous hyperbole makes discussion almost pointless. I mean, why bother? I probably should just have kept my mouth shut, instead of resorting to trolling, but what the hell…

    Where you see Goebbels and conspiracies, I see a perfectly normal pro-candidate site.

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  23. CM

    And here we go with the anonymous piling-on of thumbs up or thumbs down. If people feel that strongly for or against something, be man enough to say so. Don’t pathetically hide.

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  24. CM

    And how exactly is it a ‘bad time for Jews’?
    How are the Jews of Israel suffering because of Obama?
    With an approval rating of Obama at 60% the Jews in America can’t be finding it all that bad.

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  25. Kimpost

    Ah, but you need to understand that lots of US Jews actually hate Jews. Just like many liberal Americans hate America/ns.

    It’s bad for the Jews because the entire west wants to see them all killed. Especially the EU (which is why we’re their major trading partner), but also the US now that Obama holds office. He hates them, just as much as we do.

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  26. AlexInCT *

    Actually the difference is in the semantics. Given the chance I would bet even money that they wouldn’t have a problem killing people at all. There is that history after all. BTW, Obama’s mentor Ayers and many of his friends did just that – kill people and talk about killing millions BTW – back in the 60s and 70s, That’s in case you forgot that Kimpost.

    Like I said: every time you try to come off as clever and impugn me for pointing out that the left is dangerous, you end up helping me make my point.

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  27. AlexInCT *

    Your link says his approval rating with Jews is at 60%.

    Ask NY-9 how well that 60% bullshit number worked out for the democrats in a Jewish district that was so deep blue they didn’t even bother campaigning there until it was too late for Weiner’s old seat, CM.

    Stay delusional though bro. The longer the left pretends that all is well, the better it is for those of us that want a break from their insanity.

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  28. Poosh

    Technically, it is just a standard propaganda “fact checking” site, whose actual function is to provide misinformation and false counter arguments, to use against legitimate attacks on Obama. Media Matters is an example of a website that pretends to be debunking ‘myths and falsehoods’ when in factual fact it nothing more than an engine designed to spread falsehoods and dishonest talking points, which are to be disseminated into the public sphere.

    However it’s sinister because of this administrations’ past.

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  29. Poosh

    Good point about Ayers there. But I doubt many of the Obama goons have it in them. Those on the hard (real Marxist) left, union types, on the other hand are often yearning for a fight with what they consider “the right”. Socialist Worker sorts and the rest of it.

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  30. Kimpost

    I’m not trying to come off as clever. I’m merely trying to use sarcasm to make you see the flaws in your arguments.

    Like or not but your world view isn’t backed up by much evidence. US liberalism is nothing compared to the socialist hell hole I live in (Sweden). And we are ten billion light years from forming a socialist or communist society. It will never happen here, and we haven’t moved closer to it either. The path is not set.

    Sweden has its tax revenue at 45% of GDP.
    US has its tax revenue at 26% of GDP.

    None of our countries are near socialism. I’ve seen US Tea Party fantasies about pulling the tax revenue down to 15% of GDP. I’m telling you that it isn’t possible, not without crushing your society. 18% wont happen either and you probably wont make 20%.

    I’d go as far as to say that you’re likely looking at 30% in a decade or two (perhaps three), regardless of which party you will elect during that period. Certain entitlements are here to stay (health care, social security, defence, well fare, education). We’ll just have to keep discussing which ones to keep, and how extensive they should be. The end does not have to be 100% socialism. Our 45% tax revenue of GDP has gone down from well over 50%. Perhaps we’ll meet at 30 or 35?

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  31. AlexInCT *

    Brining this out:

    I’m not trying to come off as clever. I’m merely trying to use sarcasm to make you see the flaws in your arguments.

    Really Kimpost? Cause so far I think the only one with a flawed argument is you. Do you remember the Bush presidency? The books, movies, plays, video games, and other such liberal “displays of affection” towards the guy or even Cheney which inevitably culminated in a gruesome death? True, nobody acted out on them but the people constantly thinking about it where on the left. And I still remain convinced that many didn’t act on it because they are cowards and afraid of the consequences, not of the killing of someone they despised itself.

    And what’s wrong with my logic for pointing out that these people are so narcissistic that they created this website, full of bullshit, and then pointing out that it is real creepy that they have this kind of direction coming from someone in government. And then, after we spent 8 years listening to them talk about how big of a fascist Bush and the right where for not graciously doing what the left wanted even when they had won the election. Maybe the problem here is that you failed to see that I was mocking the left for crying fascism every time they didn’t get their way, then turning around and doing borderline fascist things, and defending them as anything but?

    I know you are desperate to create the impression that I am giving flawed arguments, but maybe you should consider that the flaw seems to be in your belief that what I am saying is wrong for whatever reason. It’s not like every time I go round and round with you two because you claim I am making shit up, that it later doesn’t come out to be exactly as I predicted.

    Like or not but your world view isn’t backed up by much evidence.

    Except for the truth. Yeah, I know that I should just believe whatever progressives think is PC, but the logical part of me refuses to allow a fanatical quasi-religious movement with delusions of grandeur dictate what the truth should be when it is so obvious.

    US liberalism is nothing compared to the socialist hell hole I live in (Sweden).

    The sad operative word there is “YET” Kimpost. Our new aristocracy, the progressives, sure as hell want to recreate Europe’s socialism right here, and they want it yesterday. The last three years prove that.

    And we are ten billion light years from forming a socialist or communist society.

    I disagree. All it takes is some real bad times that make the masses feel troubled, and you can be staring at much of the same as came before. And the soft feminized version of socialism you have now might appear quite benign to you, but to me it sounds like a freedom sapping, unsustainable bureaucracy. Sooner than later you run out of other people’s money, and then what? You been keeping track of what’s going on in Greece? I would not be surprised that as the EU dissolves over its financial ills, sooner than later, and that we then get a few of these places that will quickly go south and turn to hard line dictatorships. The history is there after all.

    It will never happen here, and we haven’t moved closer to it either. The path is not set.

    LOL! Famous last words?

    Here is a clue, and I give it in the fervent hope you take it seriously Kumpost: be vigilant. It’s precisely when you think that it can never happen there, that it does. History is replete with such examples after all. The only guarantee of freedoms is vigilance. Trading too much freedom for the illusion of security doesn’t last.

    Freedom has never been the natural state of any society in history, because there are always tyrants ready to steal it from people. I think after the last 5 millennia of history it would have sunk in, for most people, that we have been living in some very unique times. With the work and sacrifices of people of the US, based on what our forefathers did here, allowing the world to see a period of great prosperity and freedom, despite the travails in Europe & Asia during the last century. We seem currently to be heading backwards. Most people are desperate to delegitimize the US for whatever unexplained reason And wait until the Chinese feel strong and confident enough to really throw their weight around and then let’s see how things feel and look.

    None of our countries are near socialism. I’ve seen US Tea Party fantasies about pulling the tax revenue down to 15% of GDP. I’m telling you that it isn’t possible, not without crushing your society. 18% wont happen either and you probably wont make 20%.

    Crushing our society how? And why? Is your point that we need to keep the freeloaders and perpetual bad decision makers happy, or else? Look how well it has worked out for the British….

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  32. CM

    Alex and Poosh – how do think anyone can take you even remotely seriously when you spew such utter crap? And when I say ‘anyone’ exclude people who believe the same. You really should try and keep the extreme crazy to a minimum.

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  33. Poosh

    Why do you think I’m crazy. What if I was to tell you that I’m educated by a prominent socialist who said exactly what I said above in regard to violence (I deserve GOLD for not being indoctrinated).

    Here ya go. Now, I don’t know if the attackers were United Against Fascism (socialist worker front) or random Muslims, but they attacked an English Defense League woman, who UAF stupidly think are “right wing”. Once you know the context sounds less crazy doesn’t it! UAF have constantly been linked and arrested for violence against the “right wing” EDL.

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