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  1. TxAg94

    We watched some of the memorial dedication on CPAN thins morning. I didn’t know any of the people who were killed personally. I don’t even think I know someone who was related to anyone or knew them personally. Still, as they read the names I had to fight really hard not to sob like a baby. I admit, I don’t think about it nearly as much as time goes on. It’s still there, in the back of my mind, but time is giving it a buffer. I love New York and my wife (a Jersey girl) and I go there as often as we can. I am particularly reminded of the events on each visit. In hindsight, it’s been amazing to see the city return to normal, so much so that you have to look for the scars, even there.

    Kind of rambling but I will say I’m glad, in a weird way, to have the story return to the forefront. We all need reminding. I’m not one of those “where were you” types but it’s good to think back and feel a little of that fire we all felt on 9/11 and the days that followed. It’s an important part of who we are. Over the years we’ve lost track, be led astray, or just forgotten. I’m remembering today and while I don’t plan to let it bring me down, I hope those memories motivate me more.

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  2. Poosh

    9/11 was what brought me here to this site all those years ago, when I was trying to understand what had happened.

    Since then, Islamist terrorists have carried out 17,720 attacks across the globe.

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  3. Poosh

    And your problem is what exactly? Is there methodology of “adding up all the daily terrorist attacks” somehow inaccurate? Every attack can be googled, I can vouch for a lot of the last few years as I follow up on global Jihad attacks, but I assume the years before that are just as reliable.

    I assume you are somehow upset because that site is ‘in your face’. First off – they wear their hearts on their sleaves, so to speak. No hidden, deceptive, agenda, like in some medical articles, pretending to be “scientific” when in fact they’re driven by an agenda etc.

    I have problems accepting out of hand what is more than likely a piece of propaganda hiding inside a medical journal. Not the first time. Won’t be the last.

    But these stats are clear and simple to understand. Would you like me to pick a few random weeks from that sight and then provide you with the various sources?

    Even pretending half that number are “mistaken” – that still leaves over 8,500+ terrorist attacks since 9/11 – a striking and horrific number. God knows how many innocents murdered in the name of Allah, most of them Muslims themselves.

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  4. CM

    You state 17,720 as though it’s a fact and don’t even provide a link.

    What they count and what they don’t count looks to be very subjective. They even admit that when you go to the “About the List of Terrorist Attacks” page.
    There are good reasons why something like this would not be considered for publication in any sort of reputable journal.

    I assume you are somehow upset because that site is ‘in your face’

    Not upset at all.

    No hidden, deceptive, agenda, like in some medical articles, pretending to be “scientific” when in fact they’re driven by an agenda etc.

    Sorry, but that argument doesn’t work for me. ‘They’re so subjective that they’ve actually objective” is just nonsense. It doesn’t matter that the agenda isn’t hidden, it’s the obvious and strong agenda that creates the issue.

    Which peer-reviewed and published medical articles have been driven by an agenda?

    I have problems accepting out of hand what is more than likely a piece of propaganda hiding inside a medical journal. Not the first time. Won’t be the last.

    I guess I’m somewhat allergic to conspiracy theories, so I need very good reasons to dismiss something which has gone through rigorous systems involving experts in the field. “More than likely” doesn’t cut it. Clearly I have more respect for professionals and the concept of professionalism.

    But these stats are clear and simple to understand. Would you like me to pick a few random weeks from that sight and then provide you with the various sources?

    Sure, why not.
    For a start they’ve included 9/11 whereas I read your comment to be “since that day”. There’s a difference of almost 3000 to start with.

    Even pretending half that number are “mistaken” – that still leaves over 8,500+ terrorist attacks since 9/11 – a striking and horrific number. God knows how many innocents murdered in the name of Allah, most of them Muslims themselves.

    You’d need to carefully define ‘terror attacks’. We’d need to agree on a definition.
    And then there is the issue of how these are actually related to Islam when they’re all against what Islam teaches and what the overwhelming majority of Muslims believe. But that’s another whole other argument I’m sure. But we’d need to get through all that before we’d reach a stage where we could agree on what can be included. Which is a clear indication of how subjective it is. But presenting something clearly subjective as objective is revealing in itself.

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  5. CzarChasm

    With apologies for being late to the Memorial Service here, most every second of that day is very clear in my memory. My wife and I moved into our first purchased home on 9/8/01. Towards the end of a long, hard moving day, I was taking a stack of cardboard from broken down boxes out to the garage. I was wearing flip-flops, and as I took the step down from the laundry room into the garage, the toe on one of ‘em hung up on the threshold and I went flying ass-end over tea-kettle. Broke my big toe on one foot, and tried to break my fall in a sort of push-up position, but busted both wrists and one elbow instead. Spent the next eight hours in the emergency room. Got a cast on my left arm for the wrist and elbow, and just a shorty wrist cast on my right hand. The only “good” thing that came out of that emergency room visit was a prescription for enough Demerol to kill an elephant (if you’ve ever broken a wrist, you know about pain).

    On 9/11 I had just settled in for a day of reruns of Roseanne. A fist-full of Demerol, a cup of coffee and an excuse to be allowed by my wife to smoke in the house, I was all set. Since we were new to the house (and neighborhood), I didn’t have the channel lineup for the cable memorized yet, so I started scrolling. Caught the first glimpse of the WTC on fire and stopped long enough to hear someone say a “small general aviation plane has crashed into the World Trade Center.” “Bummer” I thought, and kept scrolling. Hit the next channel covering it and started thinking, man, that’s a ton of smoke for a general aviation aircraft to have caused, and decided to watch that coverage for awhile. I think it was Fox News, but I’m not positive. Anyway, it was still just the North Tower burning, and it was still being treated by reporters as an accident, although corrections about the small plane were being given and eye-witness reports of a passenger jet were replacing that errant part of the story by now. Then the second plane came into frame. It was probably only three to five seconds that it was in-frame before impact, but it seemed like an eternity. As soon as I saw it I started yelling out loud, “This ain’t no F’n accident! No F’n way is this an accident!” My dog cowered under the coffee table thinking I was yelling at him. Then it hit. I changed, America changed and the world changed that very second, and almost all of us felt it and knew it before a single pundit or politician had uttered a word.

    I wanted to go to NY worse than I’ve ever wanted anything in my life. I am a former Steelworker and still had lots of tools and advanced skills that could’ve helped. But I was too banged up and had to just sit there in front of the tube for what seemed like forever watching everything unfold and unable to do a thing. I remember saying to my wife that night that we should turn Iraq into a glass parking lot. I don’t know why really. It was knee-jerk puffery. I was just in a somebody’s-gotta-pay mood I guess.

    As I look back now, I wonder if our leaders are/were any less knee-jerk than I was. While still having much respect for every man and woman soldier serving in Iraq, I want it to be over now. How one more American life can be seen as avenging the 9/11 attacks at this point is well beyond my ability to understand. Then again, we’re still firmly entrenched in Germany, Japan and Korea, so I guess boots on Arab/Asian ground is one of those permanent changes that 9/11 has wrought, with or without the support of the American People. As a vet, I will always support our troops no matter what. As a Jeffersonian constitutionalist, I will always oppose the policy of endless foreign wars.

    I wish there was some profound lesson I could say I’ve come to understand in the 10 years since that horrible day. Unfortunately though, the only lessons our own government apparently wishes us to learn is that unreasonable searches of Americans in our own airports is a reasonable reaction to terror attacks. Apparently suspending the spirit and letter of the probable cause clause of the 4th Amendment is how we show the terrorists that we will not be defeated by their cowardly acts. We should accept and learn from 9/11 that having a pro-life, anti-Obama or NRA bumper sticker on our cars will be reason enough for the US government to keep a keener eye on our activities. Warrantless wiretaps and no-knock entries into our homes are now, and seemingly forever will be, commonplace as a result of our reactions to 9/11.

    Don’t worry, I will never forget 9/11/01. Nor will I forget prior to that dastardly date, when America was still more or less America. My personal memorials are equal parts sorrow and prayer for those who fell that day and those who have fallen since in the wars the terrorists succeeded in fomenting, and for that document that served as the threads that weaved the tapestry of what America once was before it was destroyed as completely as the Twin Towers were on that same day.

    CC

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  6. Poosh

    Always saddened me: Rick Rescorla

    Since 9/11 that 17,720 figure has gone up to 17,729, God knows how many were murdered and injured. Some 70 at least in Iraq alone have been murdered this month, almost all from the direct result of the religion of Islam (from the Iraqi Body Count, deducted 40 from their original 111 number, as they included a 2-year old mass grave figure). I was gonna source the last week of Islamist-inspired terror, but it just got out of hand, car bomb to car bomb; dead teacher to dead school girl; Pakistan to Afghanistan. It will never end. We will never be free of this. The Bush Doctrine was the only feasible way to stop this, but that has long been forgotten. Iraq, as fine a job as that was, has started to crumble with neglect before our eyes. The government is corrupt and we allowed Sharia law to be enshrined in the constitution; Iran has started to influence that country. All those allied deaths for what now? On 9/11 I don’t think of victims of just that strike, but also of the victims from USS Cole to the present day. Pakistani soldiers who died fighting against Islamism, Theo Van Gogh, the school girls targeted and killed in Afghanistan for wanting to be educated, the 31 Navy Seals killed in August under what I still think are dodgy circumstances – from the same unit that took out Bin Laden not long before (and then one is reminded how Pakistan is crumbling before our eyes). I think of the people in Iran who will probably never be free, because of Islamism.

    One might say ‘never forget’ but many will never understand. For them it was just an ‘event’, a mere act of ‘terrorism’ as if it was something akin to an IRA attack. Some will say “America had it coming” for having soldiers in Saudi Arabia. Some will simply say it was a small group of religious nutcases, an insignificant minority < I think I would be as ignorant as those sorts, today, if I had never come to this site and read the former author here; back then I was the idiot who for thought Bowling for Columbine was 'true'.

    9/11 will always remind me of man's inhumanity to humanity – and how a fictional spaghetti-monster deity kicking back in the sky can 'cause' so much suffering across the entire surface of the planet.

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  7. CM

    Since 9/11 that 17,720 figure has gone up to 17,729…..

    Ah I see, this is now a ‘fact’…..ok gotcha.

    Iraq, as fine a job as that was…..

    Good grief man.

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