We Are Going To Need A Bigger Tent

A major component to Obama’s ascension to the presidency was the turn out and support of African Americans. 96% of all black voters supported him, an incredible statistic and one that I doubt will ever be duplicated again. The racial element was forefront with a number of voters. For many black folks it basically came down to ,”It was time”, that here was a chance for the first black president in our history and it was time. For many white liberals here was a ready made opportunity to assuage their guilt, not only to make up for a few hundred years of treating black people poorly, but of showing the world and themselves how un racists they are by putting a black man in the WH. Voting strictly on race is one of the dumber reasons for voting at all, but it is hard to fault the African American community because of the historic precedent set. It also reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw the other day ,”You voted for Obama to prove you are not racist, now it’s time to prove that you are not stupid”.

Since you have to learn to crawl before you can walk, I expect that the dissatisfaction within the black community wrt to Obama and that whole progressive agenda to be slow, but they are crawling:

I always love reporters that feel the need to submit the ,”whether you agree with them or not” disclaimer, they only do this when covering anything right thinking or conservative. And as far as that ,”Perception of an all white Tea Party”, that perception is only held by the LSM.

I was scratching my head over the choice to have this in present contrast to the NAACP convention next door, their thunder would have been just as loud as a stand alone demonstration. And I agreed with the gentleman that was praising some of the things the NAACP does. For most conservatives the gag reflex is triggered too easily when both the NAACP and the ACLU is brought up. Too many times the NAACP and ACORN has their hands in the same pie, but the NAACP along with the UNCF has helped many in the black community obtain the American dream and that is consistent with the conservative agenda of everyone getting a bite of American prosperity.

More and more within the black community are coming to realize that the liberal agenda has sold them down the river, that this once thought noble endeavor of the great society, of eliminating poverty through expensive welfare programs have done pretty much just the opposite and that the conservative principals of individual responsibility and achievement will provide for them what the welfare state can’t. Embracing moral clarity wrt respecting yourself and your body, rejecting the abortion on demand agenda, school choice and not accepting the failed schools that the public school system (powered by the teachers unions) offers, respecting the sanctity of marriage, getting fathers back in the homes and back towards being good role models for their kids, adopting a work ethic that empowers you to take pride in your work and pride that you are doing for yourself and not being on the dole, and for some, getting back to God, the church, and religion.

The message perpetrated by the LSM that the TP is populated by white racists still gets put out there, but with folks like the South City LA Tea Party, and the gains already made with the likes of Allen West and Tim Scott, that message is losing steam. We are going to need the support of many black voters to defeat Obama next year. Keep that canvas coming

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  1. Seattle Outcast

    What version of the NAACP are you talking about? Because the one on planet Earth is little more than a collection of racist pricks living in the 1960’s…

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  2. richtaylor365 *

    The guy in the video mentioned the NAACP awards given to high school kids that do well, I’ m all for that. They give scholarships to get folks into college, they are fighting for better schools for black kids, their economic department offers loans and classes on business creation and personal finances. You should support all these things. If the goal is to turn as many people as possible into productive tax paying citizens, income payers in to the system, not income takers then we should applaud any effort that makes that happen.

    I don’t doubt that the NCAAP still has their share of race hustlers, marred in the antiquated thinking of today’s progressive social welfare fairness principal, but those folks are going to exist regardless.

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  3. Seattle Outcast

    Those people run the Seattle branch – every now and then they issue a press release about how white people are keeping the man down. It would be funny if the local politicians didn’t suck their dick at every opportunity.

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  4. dahlhowse

    However, it’s not far off from recent elections. Both Clinton and Kerry secured greater than 90% of the black vote themselves. It seems to me that sometime, someone should realize that voting for the same Demcorats over and over again is NOT improving your lot in life.

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  5. CzarChasm

    I honestly don’t get this “big tent” theory for conservative victory. If it means open the Republican party to all races, well, fine, it’s been open all along. But if it means recruit from all races, regardless of their commitment to conservatism, please, that is no victory at all, that is simple pandering, pimping the party’s foundational principles for votes. Those votes won’t represent a strengthening of conservatism, but rather, a dilution of it, which is precisely the faction that those of us who have been and remain conservatives of the constitutional originalist variety have been all but shut down by for 30 or more years, and who only found a venue for our voices again with the rise of the Tea Party.

    Now don’t get me wrong. Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson and the relative handful of black folk who think similar to him are more than welcome in the conservative movement that I associate myself with. If I’m not mistaken, the guy with the more Afro-centric look, Ted Hayes, is a fairly recent convert to conservatism, and I’m not sure he could pass my personal litmus tests, but it does seem he’s on his way to getting there. Great, that journey should be encouraged, and with mentors like Jesse Lee, he has a good shot at making a great conservative. But it’s not because they’re black and just adding black faces to a crowd of conservatives is, in and of itself, a net positive, but because minds behind those black faces are thinking about what’s good for the country, how policy should relate to the Constitution, how liberalism has hurt much of what made this country great, but maybe most important in the context of the Tea Party and what it represents, how intellectually vapid the politics of race that the Dems have played like a Stradivarius since the War of Northern Aggression really is.

    If Ted Hayes wants to try to sell true conservatism to the NAACP, cool, go for it Ted. His skin certainly gives him an “in” that the majority of Republicans don’t possess for the time being. But if all he wants to do is bring a more diverse group of warm bodies to Tea Party and Republican events, and he doesn’t concentrate heavily on bringing their minds around to true conservative ideals and convictions, leave them at the Staples Center Ted. They’ll be more a hindrance than any kind of asset to the causes of liberty and constitutional restoration. To me, recruiting NAACP types with the thought processes they currently possess would be no different than trying to recruit Pelosi types, Barney Frank types, Chuckie Schumer types, Hell, Barack Obama types.

    Lastly, I think I know Jesse Lee Peterson’s mindset well enough to predict that he does not subscribe to a Big Tent theory that doesn’t hold fast to fairly strict constitutional originalist ideals. He wants to sell conservatism, not a seat at the table to anyone who looks like him, but who doesn’t believe pretty close in what he believes in. Winning in the arena of ideas is what will attract formerly disinterested groups to the conservative movement. Diluting the conservative message will only make us look like pimps, whoring out our ideology in exchange for warm bodies. I want no part of that “big tent.”

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  6. CzarChasm

    To me, recruiting NAACP types with the thought processes they currently possess would be no different than trying to recruit Pelosi types, Barney Frank types, Chuckie Schumer types, Hell, Barack Obama types.

    And for an example of how tightly twisted the minds of NAACP types really are, please watch this video of some of those types taken from the same event, only from the NAACP side of the equation. Watch the second half even if you can’t sit through the first half.

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  7. CzarChasm
    it’s been open all along

    Does anyone other than Republicans really believe that though?

    First of all, I’m not a Republican, so yes, at least someone other than a Republican believes that.

    Secondly, I believe Jesse Lee Peterson believes it. Allan Keyes believes it. Perhaps the former Head of the National Republican Party, Michael Steele, can be thought of as believing it. Allen West believes it. Tim Scott, J.C. Watts, Ken Blackwell, Niger and Roy Innes, Rod Paige, Condolleza Rice, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, Star Parker, Ken Hamblin, Walter E. Williams, Lynn Swann all believe it. Alveda King, niece of Martin Luther King, believes it and is very vocal about her uncle having been a Republican before a political deal was struck between him and the Kennedy brothers that led to the National Guard being used to forcibly integrate schools in the South. And in case you’re wondering, that deal was against the Kennedy’s fellow Democrats, not the Republicans, whom King already knew he could count on for support because he was one of them!

    Third, what on Earth would possess you to imply that you know more about American political parties than an American (me) who fairly obviously I would surmise, thinks about and studies this stuff more than most conservatives, many of whom would scoff at the historically provable assertion that MLK was a Republican?

    If there is any bias or bigotry apparent in anything that’s been said in this post, it’s in the question you asked. It assumes that one, Republicans and/or conservatives are bigoted, or somehow have sought to exclude blacks from participating in the right side of the political process. Two, and worse than that though, it assumes that blacks are of one mindset, unable to determine for themselves that the political right better represents their interests than does the left. The names I listed above are but a small sampling of fairly well-known names who are both black and right-wingers, but there are literally tens of thousands, perhaps even in the millions more, whose names no one will ever know. Folks who people like you would like to keep on a Democrat plantation for perpetuity. Conservatives have always been open to their inclusion. Your limited knowledge of US history probably doesn’t inform you that Abe Lincoln was a Republican and George Wallace and Bull Connor, as well as majorities in the KKK as big as black voters who went for Obama, were all Democrats.

    I’m sure you didn’t think you were implying all of that with your question, but you unquestionably were. On a site called “Right Thinking” it would seem, it would be more respectful to just be honest and say, “I think all you right-wingers are racists.” It really is one of the more offensive things I’ve seen here since I started lurking and reading a month or so ago, and the way some of you cuss each other out on a regular basis, that’s saying something.

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  8. balthazar

    Third, what on Earth would possess you to imply that you know more about American political parties than an American (me) who fairly obviously I would surmise, thinks about and studies this stuff more than most conservatives, many of whom would scoff at the historically provable assertion that MLK was a Republican?

    Because CM is a colossal liberal, rigid ideologue, douche. Only the left is for anyone without white skin in his addled disease ridden mind.

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  9. Rann

    It constantly amazes me how someone who’s not even from America and has no actual vested interest in our political goings-on can still act like the most dyed-in-the-wool Democrat you’ve ever seen. I mean, liberal I could get, but he’s not even just liberal/leftist/whatever, he’s a Democrat.

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  10. richtaylor365 *

    I honestly don’t get this “big tent” theory for conservative victory. If it means open the Republican party to all races, well, fine, it’s been open all along. But if it means recruit from all races, regardless of their commitment to conservatism, please, that is no victory at all, that is simple pandering, pimping the party’s foundational principles for votes.

    At least in the context of this post, what I meant by “big tent” was recognizing that elections are all about the numbers, the more voters that we can pull away from Obama’s tent and get them in ours, the higher the chance that he can be defeated next year. It is not pimping to spread the appeal of our tent with the hopes of increasing its size.

    For decades the Democrats have increased the size of their tent through various nefarious practices, such as:
    1)Buying the allegiance of minorities by promising them stuff, and by perpetuating the lies that the other side does not care about them and that they can only make it with the help and largess of the Dems
    2)Stacking the faculty of universities with like minded recruiters so that the young get indoctrinated early, providing a place where diversity of skin or gender is allowed, not diversity of ideas.
    When you can command 96% of any one group, that is one hell of a hook. I would like to see those numbers reduced and with the likes of the SCLATP and other black folks who are slowly recognizing the Democrat lie of dependence for what it is, the message is getting out there.

    Great, that journey should be encouraged

    Of course, but it isn’t just for their vote next year, we want that whole mindset of dependence changed. We want them drawn to the tent, not because we will give them stuff, but because it makes sense to them and our philosophy is appealing. And maybe they can work on their friends and raise their kids with a belief in self reliance and individual responsibility, and that whole cycle can be changed for good.

    If Ted Hayes wants to try to sell true conservatism to the NAACP

    If Ted was the older gentleman, he didn’t even mention the NAACP. The NAACP as an organization is firmly entrenched with the left, that will never change, but if they can help black people become more self reliant through their different services, then I’m all for that.

    BTW, did you recognize the guy in the yellow shirt talking about property? He looks familiar.

    They’ll be more a hindrance than any kind of asset to the causes of liberty and constitutional restoration.

    I realize that this is just one short video, but I was encouraged, limited government, a strong military, a reverence for the Constitution, accountable politicians, the right to own private property, these folks do not look like a hindrance to me.

    . Diluting the conservative message will only make us look like pimps, whoring out our ideology in exchange for warm bodies

    I think I understand what you are saying but I also think you are being unfair. This tent I speak of here is not temporary, only erected for next year’s votes. Although I would like everyone to hear and embrace the message, this post has to do mainly with African Americans. I want to take black folks out of left’s tent and into ours, not only because it is better for them (their station in life and their self esteem will be enhanced) but it is better for us, both for the principals of conservatism but also for us as a society where less people are shackled under the entitlement system, more are productive tax paying citizens who now have a vested stake in their investment.

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  11. CzarChasm

    Rich, I took another look and no, I don’t recognize the guy in the yellow shirt. I’m sure if you were to ask the people interviewed in the link I posted earlier though, they would tell you his name. It’s Uncle Tom. That’s the extent of their openness to new ideas, which is to say they have none, and my main point was that unless people entering our “tent” are already deprogrammed from such thoughtless sycophancy before we invite them inside, we’re wasting our time. The only thing they even have the potential to do is dilute our ideology. As a constitutional originalist, I stand in inexorable defiance of “moderating” towards the leftist ideology just to attract them under our “tent.” There’s only one way I will accept moderating any Section, Article, Amendment, clause, paragraph, sentence, word or punctuation mark of the Constitution, and that is through the amendment process. Yes, I am uncompromising, but that’s because so too are the words contained in all of our founding documents, from the Declaration to the Federalist Papers to the Constitution, and so too were the men who authored, fought and died so that those grandiose ideals would stand for perpetuity as the supreme law of this once great nation.

    See, I understand that my uncompromising position puts me at odds with almost as many so-called conservatives as it does with liberals. So be it. Moderates like McCain and the RINOs that will populate the new Super Committee don’t help to further the causes of liberty, and liberty is what my idea of conservatism seeks to conserve. No amount of rationalizing or arguing numbers and “how things work in the real world” will ever move my toe off that line. So I accept that I will likely never be happy with my choices in candidates, and those who ascribe to a modern moderated version of conservatism will likely never be happy with me. Just don’t ask or expect me to get all giddy at the thought of drawing a percentage point or three away from whatever identity-politics groups we’re supposed to be “working on” to build a bigger tent for. Just like any structure, without a firm, solid, immovable foundation, a one-man tent or a million-man tent will fall under its own weight.

    Now then, that said, while I was looking at the YouTube page to see if I could recognize the guy in the yellow shirt, I noticed a couple of names in the “More Info” drop-down area underneath the player that I didn’t recognize. One turned out to be the white guy who was fantasizing about “…if we could just get the people out here to join with the people in there… oh what a wonderful world this would be” crap. Another name was Ted Hayes, Jr., and I didn’t know if the guy in the yellow shirt might not be Hayes’ son or something, so I plugged the name into Google Images and, nope, swing and a miss, the pics were all of the Ted Hayes whom I had already recognized. BUT, there was one pic that showed a screenshot of another YouTube video of Hayes being interviewed, and out of curiosity, I clicked on it. I now have to say that I was WAY wrong about him either being a recent convert or that he probably wouldn’t pass my personal litmus tests as a true conservative. The fact is after listening to that 25 minute (+/-) interview, the guy is probably right of me, and has a VERY seldom-heard take on race issues in America. The interviewer is Dr. James Manning, who I am familiar with, and he’s a breath of fresh conservative air too. This may or may not be the kind of conservative you want to invite in your tent rich. Listen at your own risk. You may find yourself more drawn to the NAACP types whom you apparently think you can “save.” I really don’t think that’s where either Hayes or Manning are coming from though. Anyway, there ya go, black conservatism at its most threatening to establishment party politics, which is why I love it.

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  12. sahrab

    Anyone who bothers to base their opinions on their own findings and not on what they are fed?

    Yes!

    Which party has a long history of supporting the belief that all men are created equal and should have equal oppurtunity to the American Dream ?

    Which party* has a long history of believing some cant make it on their own and need the Government to “even the field” ?

    (* I purposely did not point out which party acts as a magnet for racists, hopefully thats self evident)

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  13. richtaylor365 *

    Although I don’t think your “litmus test” is at all unreasonable, expecting those new to the cause, those just shaking off 10/20 years of indoctrination and dependency, and those finally seeing the scam that the left really is, to think that these folks should measure up to that bar and be denied in to the tent because they can’t pass your test, that is unreasonable. Ted Hayes mentioned in the video that the SCLATP is a good idea because it will cause black people to think, he mentioned in the Dr. Manning video you linked to that black folks “are going to wake up”, I will accept both of these outcomes as a positive.

    I’m not sure why you think these folks are going to “dilute our ideology”. All the stuff that they talked about, the stuff I mentioned in my last comment, it sounds to me like they have the ideology down pretty well. If the goal is to bring as many folks to the cause as possible, to open up the tent and make them converts/embracing the ideology as their own, eroding the lefts hold on them and getting some willing ally’s to defeat Obama next year, are not these all good things?
    To use a religious analogy, do you expect the man that just discovered and accepted God to be as strong in the faith and knowledgeable as the 30 year practicing minister at the local church? Would it be reasonable for the minister to reject the new convert because the new guy does not (at that time) pass his litmus test?

    Since I see the left’s ideology as debilitating and enslaving to the black man, when I see them even starting to question that POV, I see that as a good sign. Since I believe that every citizen deserves to live the American dream, to prosper by the sweat of his brow and his own industry, I want that opportunity to be available to everyone. If this involves all those things I mentioned in the post about strengthening the nuclear family, making our schools more accountable in the inner cities, giving the poor and disenfranchised a legitimate shot at making it on their own, I support all those things.

    I watched that Manning interview video, Dr. Manning seems like someone who could get me in his parish regularly, and he reinforced my earlier point about white liberals assuaging their guilt, putting an end to the scourge of slavery, by voting for Obama.
    This simple fact remains, we are going to need a bigger tent to defeat Obama next year. Whether that involves getting in new folks, new to the cause that we can help to beef up their conservative bonafides, or whether it’s RINO’s who temporarily lost their way and need a gentle hand to point them in the right direction, we need to embrace any and all willing to listen.

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  14. CM

    What I said applies to all political parties looking at ways of expanding their base. Appealing to different races/ethnicities, sexual orientations (we had a discussion of that a while back when Rich posted the ‘It Gets Better’ video made by the White House), income ranges, geographical locations. The point is – the people IN the party can scratch their heads all they like, but the key is surely to figure out WHY they’re not as popular as they should be outside their key constituients. The only way to do that is to engage properly and target the identified potential voting block. It’s not just an American issue (we’ve recently had these EXACT discussions about the ‘ACT Party’ here in NZ……they’re stuck on about 5% but claim they’re gonna get 15% of the vote but they never do anything to appeal to anyone other than that 5%….and I don’t mean they need to change their policies, I mean they don’t seem to realise that they need to market themselves differently to different groups). Marketing which appears defensive about which party is racist isn’t going to sell the party. Suggesting that “only the left is for anyone without white skin in his addled disease ridden mind” isn’t going to sell a party or any sort of political thinking. Likewise, trying to portray the Republicans or the Tea Party as rascists isn’t going to widen the tent for any parties/groups on the left.

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  15. CzarChasm

    Although I don’t think your “litmus test” is at all unreasonable, expecting those new to the cause, those just shaking off 10/20 years of indoctrination and dependency, and those finally seeing the scam that the left really is, to think that these folks should measure up to that bar and be denied in to the tent because they can’t pass your test, that is unreasonable.

    “Denied into the tent?” Did I come off as some kind of Gate Keeper to that tent? I don’t deny anyone but myself entry into a party “tent.” You want to set up a band and dance to the soulful sounds of “Play That Funky Music White Boy” with a bunch of leftists, 90+% of whom see you as a wannabe whip-crackin’ rich plantation owner, have at it. Like I said, I’m not a Republican. It ain’t my tent, and I don’t admit or deny entry to anyone.

    As far as those coming out of their indoctrinated state, I welcome them and am happy to engage them in the hopes that they are open to learning the prudence of umm….Right Thinking. But see, I assume that they are just like me, capable of thinking for themselves, and I won’t waste a single synapse strategizing for a program of counter-indoctrination. As I said, as far as I’m concerned, the tent is wide open to all people regardless of any but one identity-based considerations, and it always has been. That one consideration is that they must adhere in both thought and deed to the Constitution, which is why I refuse to see modern Republicanism as “my” tent. VERY few of them even come close.

    Ted Hayes mentioned in the video that the SCLATP is a good idea because it will cause black people to think, he mentioned in the Dr. Manning video you linked to that black folks “are going to wake up”, I will accept both of these outcomes as a positive.

    I’m not sure why you think these folks are going to “dilute our ideology”.

    You think I’m referring to Manning or Hayes when I say that? Or the list I gave CM in reply to him? Good Lord man, what’s the point of even replying to you if you can’t read any better than that? I don’t know how much more praise and acceptance I could heap upon Manning or Hayes without literally drooling. Re-read what I’ve said about diluting “our” ideology and get back to me if you feel the need.

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  16. richtaylor365 *

    You think I’m referring to Manning or Hayes when I say that?

    No, not Manning or Hayes, there was a paragraph break, but I was unclear. I re read who you were referring to, those people would not be caught dead anywhere near the tent, but I understand what you are saying.

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