Islam & Multiculturalism are like oil and water: they don’t mix..

We recently had some discussion on one of our other posts that veered into the topic of Islamic radicalization and the belief that it is all but a given that they will eventually takeover European natures, by democratic elections of all things, as they grow into the bigger population. Some of our resident Europeans assured us that this was all nonsense and blown out of proportion, something that made me wonder how much denial a person could live with considering I saw proof this problem first hand myself while visiting not one, but 6 different European countries. So when I was tipped off about this story, I figured it would be a nice introduction to the reality of the situation. Have a look:

Islamic extremists have launched a poster campaign across the UK proclaiming areas where Sharia law enforcement zones have been set up. Communities have been bombarded with the posters, which read: ‘You are entering a Sharia-controlled zone – Islamic rules enforced.’ The bright yellow messages daubed on bus stops and street lamps have already been seen across certain boroughs in London and order that in the ‘zone’ there should be ‘no gambling’, ‘no music or concerts’, ‘no porn or prostitution’, ‘no drugs or smoking’ and ‘no alcohol’.

Having experienced a similar attitude in Barcelona, Milan, Brussels, Paris, & London, where they have entire neighborhoods which the non-Islamic natives avoid out of real fear for their safety, if not lives, as well as seeing it directed in Rotterdam where I personally witnessed several of the followers of the Koran tell locals/natives outright that they where going to cut off their infidel heads, enslave their weak ass children, and use their women as chattel, sooner than later, I am absolutely not surprised by news like this. And this tense situation which existed both before 9-11, was far more pronounced during my recent visits, I add.

Of course, the Euro politicians and their cheerleaders will tell you this is not the case: there is no friction between the Islamic immigrants – brought there to do the work the Europeans didn’t want to do and then not really integrated and absorbed into the local society, thus resulting in radicalized and disenfranchised youths whom turn to Jihad as a means to extract revenge against the perceived injustice done to them – and the natives. It’s all bullshit. That story is repeated everywhere across Europe.

It is not a coincidence that we see a trend in elections in European country after European country, where what they consider to be more right wing parties – like that of Geert Wilders – see massive gains, while the socialist parties that pretend this is not going on, lose seats. The people that bear the brunt of the problem are reacting. Of course, most of the elite political class simply blames it on Islamophobia and the fact that those those experience the problem first hand and want it addressed, just are not inclusive enough. The victim is blamed basically. The sad part is then how those that point out the problem are of course labeled and attacked, because admitting there is a problem means admitting that multiculturalism sucks ass and is a failure, especially when it comes to Islamic immigrants and their disenfranchised and radicalized offspring, and that goes against over 5 decades of ingrained collectivist ideology about the greatness of multiculturalism.

But the truth is that multiculturalism has failed – the radicalized youth of Islamic immigrants don’t believe in it at all – and some of the biggest believers in and pushers of multiculturalism and the multicultural experiment are finally acknowledging it is not working well for them. Hopefully the change that the Dutch are making is real and not just paper to appease the public.

America too, albeit to a much lesser degree, will have to deal with this multiculturalism issue, the failures it has caused, sooner than later. The percentage of our population that worships Allah isn’t anywhere near that in Europe, many are converted natives, and most are far better integrated, but the fact remains that there are always those that feel like they are outsiders, precisely because they where told there was no need to change their identify to adopt any of the host country’s beliefs, and then isolated start holding a grudge. At least we don’t have neighborhoods that are as bad as what we hear or see is going on in Europe. Then again, I have not been to Detroit in 2 decades, and I hear that’s not that much fun anymore either, not just because the democrats that have owned have run it into the ground, but because some of the same problems with the worshippers of Allah seen in European cities are popping up.

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  1. richtaylor365

    I read that article you posted last week , here is why I was not all concerned:

    From your first link:

    Scotland Yard is now working with local councils to remove the posters and identify those responsible for putting them up.

    Which indicates that they do not have the endorsement of the official government so these signs are no more than a “tagging” problem.

    Yesterday the leader of Waltham Forest Council, Chris Robbins, said: ‘As soon as we heard about these posters we worked over the weekend to take them all down.

    ‘Since then we have been going through our CCTV images and working with the police to try to identify the culprits. Our policy is to use the full extent of our powers to prosecute any offenders.

    ‘People should not get the wrong idea about our borough because a handful of small-minded idiots, who do not live here, decide to deface our streets with ridiculous posters.’

    Further proof that these “Sharia Zones” are meaningless.

    Of course, the Euro politicians and their cheerleaders will tell you this is not the case: there is no friction between the Islamic immigrants

    Just to be fair to kimpost, he never said or intimated this attitude is my post about Sweden’s Muslim problem, he said that there was indeed problems to be worked out wrt their immigration polices but that the idea of a concerted effort by the resident Muslims to “Islamize” Sweden was over blown. If I got any of that wrong then he will no doubt correct me.

    I think the biggest problem Europe has had with their immigration/Muslim problem is their definition of Multiculturalism. In America we demand assimilation and promote integration into our “stew”. In Europe, as your Netherlands link indicated, they allow/encourage separatism, where immigrants do not assimilate, learn the language, the culture, or become part of that nation in any way.

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  2. hist_ed

    How seriously do you think they are taking it when they say they are working to “identify those responsible for putting them up.”? Their names and faces are in the article. It’s not a secret.

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  3. CM

    Having experienced a similar attitude in Barcelona, Milan, Brussels, Paris, & London, where they have entire neighborhoods which the non-Islamic natives avoid out of real fear for their safety, if not lives, as well as seeing it directed in Rotterdam where I personally witnessed several of the followers of the Koran tell locals/natives outright that they where going to cut off their infidel heads, enslave their weak ass children, and use their women as chattel, sooner than later, I am absolutely not surprised by news like this. And this tense situation which existed both before 9-11, was far more pronounced during my recent visits, I add.

    And I lived in Europe for almost 5 years and visited about three-quarters of the countries in Europe (some of them multiple times) and I never saw anything remotely like that. So either you’re telling lies or you were unbelievably lucky.

    Yet again it looks like you’re falling for the propaganda and giving these extremists the oxygen they crave. This is typical xenophobic scaremongering by a British tabloid that doesn’t mind scaring a few pensioners with tales of arab monsters threatening their way of life if it sells a few papers. The same paper that told the Brits in 1939 to leave Mr Hitler alone and mind their own business.

    These posters will impact no one (in and around Brixton I often saw posters claiming the craziest of things). They are actions by a fringe element of British society which people will ignore. If any attempt was made to intimidate anyone then the force of the law would be applied immediately. Choudary’s organisation has been banned long ago. Brits know who he is and he’s regarded as the village idiot, except by those who are on the same village idiot level.

    The false image being created there is a much bigger problem and in my view is typically being prompted in a deliberate attempt to stir up racial and religious hatred, encourage more violence in both directions and start some kind of civil war that the people doing the stirring thing “their side” will win.

    As Kimpost said, and Rich acknowledged him saying, there ARE problems with integration and problems to be worked out.

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  4. AlexInCT *

    And I lived in Europe for almost 5 years and visited about three-quarters of the countries in Europe (some of them multiple times) and I never saw anything remotely like that. So either you’re telling lies or you were unbelievably lucky.

    Or maybe you are telling lies or the one that was unbelievably lucky? Two can play at this game.

    Yet again it looks like you’re falling for the propaganda and giving these extremists the oxygen they crave.

    What propaganda? What they are doing?

    This is typical xenophobic scaremongering by a British tabloid that doesn’t mind scaring a few pensioners with tales of arab monsters threatening their way of life if it sells a few papers.

    Except for the people that actually have experienced things.

    The same paper that told the Brits in 1939 to leave Mr Hitler alone and mind their own business.

    So can we ignore all the papers that did the same, or liked Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and so on, defending them and their revolution, too? Cause that then makes it OK to ingore practically every left leaning rag including the NYT.

    If any attempt was made to intimidate anyone then the force of the law would be applied immediately.

    I saw the force of the law applied in Britian, and about the only times it looked like anything forceful or harsh was when some citizen defended themseves from a thug trying to rob them. Otherwise, the law looked like a giant joke to me. Statistics like < ahref="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html" target="_new">this concur.

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  5. Section8

    Um Alex, based on the pictures it looks like some home grown dude, and not a crowd or group of people from another country pushing their beliefs from their home land. Can’t say that hasn’t happened, but this article isn’t much.

    The same paper that told the Brits in 1939 to leave Mr Hitler alone and mind their own business.

    Well without a UN to tell them what to think, what did you expect, and the League of Nations wasn’t much help. Most of Europe was appeasing Hitler up until that time, so at least research some history before going Godwin right out of the gate.

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  6. balthazar

    Yeah because as we all know, it was Christians and Jews that riouted in and around paris in 2005, 2007 and 2010. With smaller “incidents” every year in between.

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  7. CM

    Or maybe you are telling lies or the one that was unbelievably lucky? Two can play at this game.

    Over almost 5 years? Yeah right.

    What propaganda? What they are doing?

    The Daily Mail are doing their usual shit-stirring that they’re well known for and the usual suspects just swallow it hook line and sinker.

    Except for the people that actually have experienced things.

    Yeah, and the Daily Mail would have you believe that’s almost everyone, when in fact it’s hardly anyone.

    So can we ignore all the papers that did the same, or liked Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and so on, defending them and their revolution, too? Cause that then makes it OK to ingore practically every left leaning rag including the NYT.

    Don’t ignore, just try and be at least a little objective. Yeah, sure, about left leaning rags too. Try applying that cynicism a little more evenly. I’m certainly not expecting you to apply more cynicism to one or the other.

    I saw the force of the law applied in Britian, and about the only times it looked like anything forceful or harsh was when some citizen defended themseves from a thug trying to rob them.

    How long did you spend in the UK? How many times did you see the “force of law” not being applied when it should have been?
    Why do you need to constantly exaggerate?

    Otherwise, the law looked like a giant joke to me. Statistics like this concur.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2010/04/violent_crime_falling_says_new.html

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  8. CM

    Well without a UN to tell them what to think, what did you expect, and the League of Nations wasn’t much help. Most of Europe was appeasing Hitler up until that time, so at least research some history before going Godwin right out of the gate.

    Sorry, that’s not a ‘Godwin’ (there is no far-fetched comparison involving Nazis or Hitler).
    The Daily Mail went further than most – they led anti-Jewish campaigns in the 1940’s claiming that the German Jews had brought Hitler’s persecution on themselves.

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