Not raising the debt ceiling = slavery!

Yep, that’s what Clyburn, #3 donkey, believes:

Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC): “I’ve said time and time again, if the President gets up to August 2nd, without a piece of legislation, he should not allow this country to go into default. He should sign an executive order invoking the 14th Amendment and send that to all the governmental agencies for us to continue to pay our bills. He could do that with a stroke of a pen.

“We’ve seen many big things done in history that way. I joked with my staff the other day, telling what was the bill number of the Emancipation Proclamation, it was an executive order. We integrated the armed services by executive order. We integrated public schools by executive order. Sometimes executives must order that things get done.”

Clyburn might be up to soemthing with that comparison. Execpt we the citizens are the slaves/serfs of a monster government that pisses money away like there is no tomorrow.

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  1. JimK

    Do any of these assholes even know what the Constitution *is* much less what it says?

    Article 1 Section 8

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

    To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

    To provide and maintain a Navy;

    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

    There are definitely days when a man could be, fairly easily, convinced to join some sort of revolution, be it social, fiscal or actual. Those days used to be few and far between. Now they come with alarming regularity.

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  2. Kimpost

    I’m looking for: “To decide on raising or not raising the debt ceiling”, but I can’t find it. Did you leave it out on purpose, Jim?

    ;)

    On the other hand. From the 14th Amendment, section 4.

    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    Constitutionally it would be kind of cool, if Obama actually did do it. He would probably lose the legal challenge, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he would be impeached for it. But that too would be cool.

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  3. Seattle Outcast

    I’m still looking for the part in the amendment that gives the president the ability to pay bills. Stating that a debt is valid isn’t the same thing as nullifying the enumerated rights of congress and assuming them for the office of the presidency.

    It would be funny as all hell to watch the supremes bitch-slap Obama over this, and I think he knows it.

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  4. JimK

    It helps to both read AND comprehend…but hey, you aren’t alone. The people we elect in this country don’t get it either.

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    Only an idiot would think that raising the debt ceiling isn’t part and parcel of Congressional purse string authority. Or, I suppose, a hyper-partisan Democrat who couldn’t give a fuck about the law. The Constitution is pretty plain on this: This kind of thing is not allowed by executive order.

    The winky face doesn’t excuse willful ignorance in defense of Democrats and Obama, BTW. Just so you know. ;)

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  5. Kimpost

    I wouldn’t really want him to sign an executive order. All hell would break loose if he did, and that would hardly be good for the markets. Nor for your already politically polarized country.

    But it would be interesting. He would have to argue that raising the debt ceiling is separated from borrowing money, and if that would fly, then what wouldn’t?

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  6. Rann

    Sure, Democrats. Abuse the Constitution and make more attempts to seize power unchecked by the will of the people when you’re heading into an election year. That’ll really help.

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  7. Rann

    I sometimes wonder if Democrat politicians actually, literally have the “heroic action” music from Star Wars playing in their heads all the time, which switches to “The Imperial March” every time they see a Republican.

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  8. HARLEY

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    its a fucking shame that this part is not acted upon today.

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  9. AlexInCT *

    I was there. It’s why it doesn’t faze me at all MY. I feel like I am caught in the Carter years, only with a far worse cast of crews and more at stake this time, and it is just depressing that we are going through all this left wing idiocy yet again.

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