Oslo Bombs

Reports are emerging of explosions near the Prime Minister’s office in Norway. Updates as events warrant. Initial images are pretty horrifying.

No idea what’s going on here. The natural thought is terrorism but … Norway? Really?

Update: Norway. Really. They’ve been tangling with AQ lately.

Update: As noted in the comments, a shooting has taken place at a youth camp for kids of the ruling party. This is very likely terrorism.

Update: Early indictions are that this guy was a fringe anti-Mulsim radical. Still very early but we’ll have to see what more comes out. Jihadists is always a reasonable first guess, but that appears not to be the case.

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  1. Poosh

    F*cking hell. I can see what looks like a Games Workshop near the blast area.

    Reports coming in: a children’s summer camp under attack from a gunman, elsewhere in Norway.

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  2. Poosh

    Holiday island with the Youth Wing of the ruling Labour party.

    Man on a boat approached, dressed in a police uniform. He proceeded to open fire. Gunfire appears to be sustained. Anti-terrorist units are on way as we speak. Some 500 young ones on that island.

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  3. Nexus

    Who the hell would want to blow up Norway?? I mean its Norway for Flying Spaghetti Monster’s sake! Most people couldn’t find Norway on a map if it were labeled!

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  4. hist_ed

    It’s a world war. If a country is not controlled by Islam then it is the enemy of Islam. Particularly those countries that allow their women more rights than their cattle.

    (note to pantywaists and such: not all Muslims think this; just the Muslims who blow themselves up trying to kill as many unbelievers as possible).

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  5. Hal_10000 *

    Norway has not been shirking their part in the WOT. The link above shows they’ve been under threat for a while.

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  6. Kimpost

    So the official death count is now up to 17, but another 10 or more are expected to be official soon. One person has been arrested for the shootings at Utøya, and he’s believed to be involved in the Oslo-bombing as well. The whole thing could have been a one man show. The guy is an ethnic Norwegian, 32, years old, and has some nationalist ties, and has been an Internet critic of Islam.

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  7. Poosh

    The “word” on the street is he was some sort of “conservative christian” whatever that means.

    Police are doubtful of ties to global Jihad. Though Islamist plots have been foiled recently in Norway anyhow.

    I’ve been trying to follow this on the blog Atlas Shrugs but it seems I’ve been banned from commenting and have no idea why.

    Expect the idiots to spin this as a teachable “see, all religions can blow shit up” moment, which is a deadly and stupid thought to have. Unless they can prove this “conservative christian” is part of a massive global network spouting an ideology aspired to by millions.

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  8. Poosh

    So the media are getting info from sources such as facebook and World of Warcraft.

    It DOES look like he is a right-winger/conservative. Some of the stuff “he” wrote, I skimmed over, and can’t say he is wrong about alot of stuff – but he goes too far in places. One has to wonder how a true western conservative would violate so many of our values, such as democracy and freedom from violence etc, to make a point. I don’t consider nationalism on racial grounds to have anything to do with being right-wing.

    His facebook pages, twitter etc appear to have “appeared” in the last five days. Which is odd.

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  9. AlexInCT

    I am with hist_ed. It is a shame that the left managed to fool so many people about the Nazis being on the right. The Nazis where just another incarnation of Marx’s stupid beliefs that the state should run things. Instead of the state taking over everything, in the name of the people of course, to make it all look noble and just, like the communists did, the Nazis married the state and the private sector, with the state of course controlling that and picking the winners and losers. Kind of like what we have in most of Europe these days and what Obama wants for America, sans all the nationalistic talk the left used to justify their lie that Nazis where right wing.

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  10. AlexInCT

    His facebook pages, twitter etc appear to have “appeared” in the last five days. Which is odd.

    Really? Maybe this is another opportunity to use a crisis to one’s advantage..

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  11. Hal_10000 *

    I don’t think you can lump Nazis in with Marxists, much as you might want to. They are both Hegelian totalitarian systems but their economic philosophies are totally different. The label “national socialist” was an artifact of their 1920’s policies (which were socialist). They did not reflect the policies of the 30’s or 40’s at all. Their economic policies were, if anything, mercantilist, shifting the economy to politically controlled interests, not to “the people”. They didn’t reject private property or enterprise; they wanted it controlled by the central government. Socialists were executed under the regime.

    Moreover, you simply can not talk about fascism and leave off the extreme nationalism, militarism, reverence for central authority and rejection of civil liberties that defined it. These are (or were) traditionally areas of the right, not the left, exaggerated to the nth degree (although not really reflective of right and left today). If you read Decline and Fall, you will find that fascists were much more obsessed with cultural identity and centralized authority than any economic theory.

    And that comes up in spades with this guy. He doesn’t appear to have been motivated by socialism, but by racial and national consciousness, particularly anti-Islam consciousess.

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  12. hist_ed

    Moreover, you simply can not talk about fascism and leave off the extreme nationalism, militarism, reverence for central authority and rejection of civil liberties that defined it. These are (or were) traditionally areas of the right, not the left, exaggerated to the nth degree

    Dude, you just described North Korea right now. And serously, think for a second. Leave off the “extreme nationalism” and then tell me any communist regime that didn’t fit right in with the rest of your descriptors. That’s why, you see, it was “national socialism”-it’s the nationalism that differentiated it from other socialist brands.

    Seriously, think about Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin. Let’s try some associations from your list. Tell me which one of these doesn’t fit the above tyrants:

    “militarism”
    “reverence for central authority”
    “rejection of civil liberties”

    If you wish to say that any political movement which is nationalist is by definition right wing, depite all its other attributes, you may do so. But then you have defined Mao’s China and the Kims’ North Korea as right wing by doing so (and what about Chavez? Ain’t he a bit of a nationalist?).

    Totalitarianism is the label we should use. Mussolini defined it best “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” That describes his Italy, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, Mao’s China, Castro’s Cuba and Hitler’s Germany.

    Totalitarianism can’t be right wing, if we define right wing as the vast majority of right wingers in the US do (smaller government). Even the word conservative should be good clue. What in the world was Hitler trying to conserve? He was a socialist revolutionary intent on creating a state controlled utopia.

    I could go on and on (really, how much difference is there between state owned industries and privately owned industries whose owners have to do exactly what the government tells them or they get shot), but we finally have nice weather here is Seattle and I am going to enjoy it.

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  13. Hal_10000 *

    “Totalitarianism is the label we should use. Mussolini defined it best “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” That describes his Italy, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, Mao’s China, Castro’s Cuba and Hitler’s Germany.

    Totally agree.

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  14. Kimpost

    It’s just getting more and more fucked up. Turns out that the guy e-mailed a “manifest” to several nationalist leaning politicians just hours before all of this. I’ve downloaded it and looked at parts of it, and it’s crazy. 1500+ pages of crazy.

    It’s anti-Islam and anti-Marxism paranoia, and how he deals with it, and how he wants everyone else to deal with it. “Europe needs to wake up”. He even shares with us how he’s been buying fertilizer for making bombs.

    Here’s the document.
    http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD/2083-AEuropeanDeclarationofInd.html

    Here’s a video speaking of it.
    http://www.veoh.com/watch/v21123164bZCBQeZ8

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  15. Poosh

    Marxism and socialism are reasonably different. Hitler certainly was socialist in that much of the means of production was set under control by the state. Socialism is a necessary stage towards the communist state, not something that Marx desired as the best form of government.

    Hitler was left-wing in that he believed in a large, powerful state, just to a lesser extent to Stalin etc. Racism is, surely, neither here not there. With nationalism, i assume this is why we say Hitler was right wing, in that he believed in Germany’s power, whereas Marxists believe in the power of the workers and ultimate “world order” rather than nation-nation.

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  16. Poosh

    Is he paranoid? Have you read it yet? Or are you making the fallacy that “because someone did a bad thing, everything he said is mad”?

    Even Islamist terrorists, as awful as it is, have a ‘point’ when they say the west is decadent and immoral.

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  17. Poosh

    Apparently, sure there are links out there, but the “christian conservative” thing appeared on his facebook whilst he was shot etc. There are screen/cashe captures (I don’t understand how the internet works) – which show his page 5 days ago or whatever, showing no sign of “conservative and christian” and then these labels appearing on “his facebook page” being circulated, which the media used to inform their decisions.

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  18. AlexInCT

    Marxism and socialism are reasonably different.

    I am sorry Poosh, but it is a differentiation without distinction. Unless by socialism you mean the family unit? Once socialism goes beyond the family unit, it gravitates into Marxism, and that’s because it all rests on the concept that there is a central authority, which is all knowing and all seeing, the new god, which will do what’s best for all. Reality has always proven that last part is wishful thinking, at best. Whether they directly control all assets like the communists do, or create a partnership between the private sector and the state like the Nazis did – and most western democracies are doing now, including Obama’s vision for America – and the state holds the power to decide which industries are the winners and which the losers, it all comes back to Marx’s teachings that the state should run things for the peasants. For the “greater good”, of course.

    Hitler certainly was socialist in that much of the means of production was set under control by the state.

    That’s what collectivism is. Whether you do it the way the communists did – the state controls everything directly – or the way Hitler & Mussolini did, the state picks winners from the supposed private sector, is all matters of degree.

    Socialism is a necessary stage towards the communist state, not something that Marx desired as the best form of government.

    Just because he preferred communism – totalitarian control of all means by the state – doesn’t mean socialism wasn’t his brain child as well.

    I think hist_ed put it well when he pointed out that basically whatever the form of collectivism is looked at, it is always going to heavily lean, by necessity, towards totalitarianism.

    You absolutely have to have that sort of arrangement for the state to effectively give the appearance of control. And I do say appearance, because the state is neither divine nor omniscient and hence, as history showed us, always too late, too heavy handed, and the peasants that have no recourse suffer for it all. That’s why conservatives, real ones, want the smallest state possible.

    Frankly I find socialism far more insulting than communism, especially the new feminized version that is crippling the west right now, because it has managed to fool so many into thinking it is a workable system and just, unlike communism, which these days is only defended by insane shitheads.

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  19. AlexInCT

    Apparently, sure there are links out there, but the “christian conservative” thing appeared on his facebook whilst he was shot etc. There are screen/cashe captures (I don’t understand how the internet works) – which show his page 5 days ago or whatever,

    That was exactly my point Poosh. That this stuff “conveniently” pops up 5 days ago. The left has been desperate for some “right winger” to do something bad so they could beat down everyone on the right by association, especially when the bulk of the horrible stuff happening keeps coming from the left’s fellow travelers, and POW!, here it is. I would not be surprised that when we learn more, weeks from now, we find out that this stuff was planted. Based on the last few such incidences here where everyone in the LSM jumped the gun, ready to make the accusation, from Laughner to the green killer, only to later find out the guy wasn’t a conservative at all, I wouldn’t be surprised this one ends the same way. Of course, I also bet the LSM won’t give it any coverage then. Not even to correct the fact they got it all wrong.

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  20. Kimpost

    What a pile of garbage. Do you guys actually realize what you are suggesting? Have you thought any of it through or is this just your brain farts talking?

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  21. Kimpost

    It’s 1500+ pages, so no I have not “read it yet”. I’ve skimmed through some of it though, and there’s definitely some seriously crazy stuff in there. It screams Islamophobia, but I’ve seen that from non-violent people too. Promoting violence is another thing though, which he did, outright in the manifest.

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  22. Section8

    I have to agree with Kimpost here. It’s looking more and more like the prick who did this is more of a nationalist type person. As a person who believes in tighter immigration standards myself, thinks political correctness is killing us, and is right leaning, I have a choice and so do you Alex. We either condemn this asshole for not only killing people but putting the right as a whole in a bad light, or we blame the left and call it a 9/11 truther moment.

    It’s impossible to control the billions of people in this world and make it so some who may have some beliefs that reflect yours won’t act like an asshole. That’s impossible to prevent, but it’s the reaction after horrible events like this will define those who might have some similar beliefs. This prick decided to use actions to promote his cause that I’m 100% in disagreement with, and he deserves nothing but pain for the rest of his miserable life as far as I’m concerned. Making any excuses for him, keeping quiet, or coming up with conspiracies is EXACTLY what we were bitching about Muslims and pc leftists doing after 9/11 wasn’t it?

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  23. Poosh

    I didn’t think anything – the facts are facts. They suggest someone edited his facebook after he was arrested. I’ve not said anything outside of that. His writing on the internet suggests he was a right winger, though not sure about ‘conservative’ as we understand it. He certainly believed in Christianity as a state religion – though he appears to have no grasp of that religion outside hijacking it for nationalist reasons.

    I would not suggest he was paid or set up by the left as a way to attack the the right.

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  24. Poosh

    I am not too sure “Islamophobia” is a real thing. It certainly barely exists as Hate Crime statistics show.

    Does he blanket hate all Muslims “because they are a different religion to me?” or “because I hate brown people and most muslims are brown” or “i hate anything different” > that would be islamophobia, well actually it would be bigotry or/and racism.

    Critically pointing out the evils within the Islamic religion and traditions – deconstructing the religion – is not Islamophobic, whatever that is. Reporting on what many Islamists do, is not Islamophobia – it’s calling getting to the truth of things.

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  25. Poosh

    In regard to the socialist/right wing marxism thiing, which I am having trouble to replying to above, I just think we have to understand Marxism as also a narrative, of which Socialism is a part of it. I have to be kind to Marx – he did not even describe what a communist state should involve outside very basic notions. Socialism is just as important as capitalism, in the marxist tradition: each is a stepping stone to the freedom of the proletariat. Marx himself did not describe himself as a Marxist.

    However, our notions of ‘Marxism’ is no doubt contaminated by post-marxism, critical theory etc. All of which are ” a type of marxism”. This is probs why it’s so messy to talk about.

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  26. Kimpost

    I didn’t think anything – the facts are facts. They suggest someone edited his facebook after he was arrested.

    …or the profiles look different because the Google cache only sees the off-line version, while the later one was from an actual on-line screen dump…

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  27. Poosh

    Well that might be so, I don’t know what the internet or facebook does, though I think facebook pages are the same wherever. his ‘manifesto’ seems to imply he is not actually a christian at all, merely using Christianity as a means to an end.

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  28. AlexInCT

    I am suggesting that I expect the left to do whatever it takes to distract people from what they are doing Kimpost. Notice that I said I wouldn’t be surprised we find out when we get some of the real facts that this guy isn’t a conservative nor religious at all, but a crazy mother fucker. And that’s bearing out to be exactly what it is.

    You can pretend timing doesn’t matter Kimpost, but I expect this shit from the left. The end justifies the means. Our own fucking government just got caught running an operation to arm Mexican drug cartels, with the only reason for something as insane as they did being so they could then blame the US for having too easy access to weapon, in order to make it harder for the citizens to get them.

    This guy will turn out to be another version of Jared Laughner: insane. But that will not stop the emdia from pretending he is a conservative.

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  29. CM

    I think the concern is how many share his ideas about the need to take radical action against the ‘threat’ of Islam? There is plenty of reckless talk about how Islam is trying to take over everything.

    In Britain, his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant and anti-establishment ideas are easily found in a far-right scene that has become fragmented and chaotic.

    Most lone wolves operate beyond the borders of conventional party politics.

    Breivik was anything but an irrational far right loner, he travelled through the political mainstream and appeared well connected to far right circles.

    His manifesto suggests that some of his ideas were influenced by groups in Britain, namely the English Defence League (EDL).

    Prime Minister David Cameron has stressed the need for Britain to learn lessons from the tragedy.

    The attacks in Norway have clear policy implications. For too long, our efforts to prevent violent extremism and counter radicalisation have focused almost exclusively on Muslim communities.

    While Al Qaeda inspired terrorism remains the dominant threat, the potential for violence within far right groups has been glossed.

    We know much about why some Britons have turned to the far right at elections, but little about what trips others into open violence.

    Some will argue that devoting more resources to a historically weak movement is unnecessary; that one lone wolf in Norway does not call for a complete overhaul in our current approach.

    But this view ignores the changing nature of far right politics in Europe. Our task is to understand and deliver a more effective response to the new reality of far right politics.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658417/Norway-killer-many-within-far-right-share-Anders-Breiviks-ideas.html

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  30. Kimpost

    Well that might be so, I don’t know what the internet or facebook does, though I think facebook pages are the same wherever.

    They. Are. Not. I haven’t tried to see what the differences would be, but I imagine the it’s easily tested. Just make a mock up profile, play around with privacy settings and see what you get. After that, speculate. Before that don’t even go there.

    his ‘manifesto’ seems to imply he is not actually a christian at all, merely using Christianity as a means to an end.

    Perhaps, I don’t know. I generally don’t try to judge people’s religious leanings, since that judgement would be 100 percent subjective anyway.

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  31. Kimpost

    I am suggesting that I expect the left to do whatever it takes to distract people from what they are doing Kimpost.

    Paranoia.

    Notice that I said I wouldn’t be surprised we find out when we get some of the real facts that this guy isn’t a conservative nor religious at all, but a crazy mother fucker. And that’s bearing out to be exactly what it is.

    The important thing is that he is a crazy mother fucker, yes. That was clear to everyone, from the first second.

    You can pretend timing doesn’t matter Kimpost, but I expect this shit from the left. The end justifies the means.

    Paranoia.

    Our own fucking government just got caught running an operation to arm Mexican drug cartels, with the only reason for something as insane as they did being so they could then blame the US for having too easy access to weapon, in order to make it harder for the citizens to get them.

    Repeating your paranoia doesn’t make it more true, except for maybe in your head.

    This guy will turn out to be another version of Jared Laughner: insane. But that will not stop the emdia from pretending he is a conservative.

    Of course he’s insane. But can’t he be insane and a self proclaimed conservative and Christian? It’s not like you have to accept him as a conservative, nor do you have to accept his Christianity.

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  32. Kimpost

    Being fearful of a pending caliphate extending into Europe, is something I would definitely call Islamophobia. While worried about how women are treated in Saudi Arabia or being concerned over the lack of democracy in theocracies (doh!), would not.

    Being reasonable shouldn’t be that hard.

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