More Pardon Problems

In the last election, Gov. Mike Huckabee, aside from being a fundie to the point of distraction, suffered mightily in the press over his complicitness in an infamous pardon gaft. It seems he reduced the sentence of one Maurice Clemmons to make him eligible for parole (somehow, sentencing a 17 year old kid to 108 years in prison seemed a bit harsh). He reduced it to 47 years ( a couple of hockey seasons, right?) which kicked in the parole process. The parole board then grabbed the ball, and unanimously moved to release him after 11 years served. Well, turns out that was not a great move as Clemmons was a very bad dude. He moves to the state of Washington and commences to go medevil on the populace, committing 8 more felonies (that he was charged with), is in and out of the system despite the parole board in Washington warning that he was “highly likely to re offend”, then goes and kills 4 cops .

 

Huckabee took a lot of heat over this, which I thought at the time was pretty ridiculous. Clemmons fell through monstrous cracks in the judicial system, but Huck was an easy target.

Well, our newest GOP hat thrower is now having similar problems

 

Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty urged prosecutors Wednesday to open a perjury investigation against a pardoned sex offender now facing new molestation charges in a case that could pose problems for the Republican’s presidential ambitions.

Pawlenty asked two county attorneys to investigate whether Jeremy Giefer, 36, of Vernon Center, lied on his application for a pardon, which requires the petitioner to swear he’s been law-abiding. Pawlenty’s administration also suspended the day care license of Giefer’s wife, effective Wednesday, saying, “the health, safety, and rights of children in your care are in imminent risk of harm.”

Pawlenty chaired the three-person board that issued the pardon in 2008, more than a decade after Giefer pleaded guilty to having sex with his 14-year-old girlfriend and getting her pregnant when he was 19.

 

You can read about the unfolding events there, but to me, this is really small potatoes and if this is the best the MSM and the Dem dirt diggers can find, this won’t be bad for Pawlenty.

 

A 19 year old having sex with a 14 year old, not real outlandish and happens all the time. Is there anyone in the civilized world (leaving out those nutty Sharia followers) that did not know someone in high school, a freshmen dating a senior? this kind of banging comes on all the time. Is it illegal? sure, along with a thousand other things that go on with regularity. But this was not just a case of some senior hosing some younger girl, they were in love, as evidenced by the nuptials that followed. Pawlenty, along with two other guys, thought he did sufficient time and all 3 unanimously voted to pardon.

Now the pardon process is an old and cherished tradition recognized world wide as a means or forgiveness and to lesson a penalty.

The pardon power of the President extends only to offenses cognizable under federal law. However, the governors of most of the 50 states have the power to grant pardons or reprieves for offenses under state criminal law.

 

Parole boards always take heat for some of the decisions they make, but that is part of the process. Some inmates do deserve parole, and to think that every criminal should serve every day of their sentence is unrealistic, we got no more space in our prisons.

If Pawlenty prevails and gets the nomination, the MSM will try to hang this doggie turd around his neck and over reach about bad judgment and so forth. I don’t buy it, keep digging.

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  1. CM

    Yeah I don’t see why this should be much an issue for him. He was only one on a board, and they voted unanimously. And, at least to some extent, it’s always a roll of the dice with pardons and parole. I agree with you that the heat Huckabee took was ridiculous.

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  2. Seattle Outcast

    I find this whole thing to be a non-issue. Seriously, for consensual sex with another teenager? If he was 29 and banging a 14-year old I’d be willing to hang him from the nearest tree.

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  3. CM

    I think you’ve nailed the…um, I mean hit the nail on the head there SO.
    It’s HIS age that determines how bad the act is. It’s not even remotely like a Polanski situation.

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  4. InsipiD

    The problem is, I think most of them are 3 years. It would be the same age spread if he were 22 and she 17. Does that still sound OK, because it doesn’t to me, really. I’d agree with the 3 year laws, but to say that 19 and 14 is OK isn’t something I’m on board with.

    Now as far as pretending like this makes Pawlenty untouchable, I have to say no. He had something to do with letting someone out who lied to get out? This shouldn’t even be on the radar.

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  5. Hal_10000

    Most states, KIm. Unfortunately, many states don’t. We had a case in Georgia where a woman was a registered sex offender and had to move away from schools because she gave her 17 y/o boyfriend a blowjob when she as 19. She should’ve gotten a medal for that, not a registry.

    As regarding pardons, the most shameful record is that of the President who has used the pardon for frankly insulting pardons of people who aren’t even in prison. He has yet to use for the purpose for which it was intended.

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  6. Kimpost

    I would probably let 19 and 14 slide, but only just. The line would be drawn somewhere around there. Perhaps the scale should be a sliding one, where larger age differences need more than just mutual consent to be regarded as acceptable.

    I mean, 45 and 14 should probably be considered worse than 20 and 14, IMO. This without suggesting that 20 and 14 is fine. It’s just not as bad.

    I also recognize a cultural difference here. While 18 is when we become adults in a legal sense, but age of consent is 15. 22 and 17 would definitely be a non-issue here. That’s not even frowned upon.

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  7. Kimpost

    That’s just sad.

    When it comes to pardons I have come to realize that giving them is close to political suicide. Politicians need to be tough on crime. Tough and compassionate does not compute. It’s too complicated, so they rarely go there.

    The pardon you normally hear of are political. George W Bush and Scooter Libby comes to mind. Whom has Obama pardoned? Anyone controversial?

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  8. CM

    I don’t think 22 and 17 would be any issue here at all. Why would it? Once a girl is 17, I don’t see that it’s anyone’s business. I’m not sure about 16. Of course we’re talking ‘averages’ here, and we all know that some 16 years olds are far more mature (physically AND emotionally) than others. So the line is always going to be very arbitrary and won’t accurately reflect single cases.

    I’m not sure I’d let 19 and 14 slide.
    18 (or even 19) and 15 would probably be what I would personally let slide. I’m not even too sure about 15, would be much more comfortable with 16. But that’s just me.

    When it comes to this topic, I’m very happy I’ve got 2 boys and no girls. Although I recognise that being the parents of the 19 year guy isn’t a picnic, I’d much prefer that role than being her parents.

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